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Continued from the other post: It was getting WAY too long. Now: as I was saaaaying, I'm not trying to bicker, Im trying to help clear up the lie (evolution) that the government is trying to teach us. You know, it used to be illegal for evolution to be taught as fact in public schools. Now, a teacher can be fired for presenting both sides of the argument, for and against.
submitted by Emily L., age 13, WA
(August 13, 2008 - 12:42 pm)
(August 13, 2008 - 12:42 pm)
I believe in the Bible too. I completely believe that there is a God and a Jesus, and it IS possible to be an Evolutionist and a Christian at the same time. Just look at me and TMFA. My parents are also Evolutionists. In fact, there is NO real argument, just like TMFA's first post said. Scientists have indeed found proof for everything about evolution.
(August 17, 2008 - 6:09 pm)
i dunno about either of all these views
im kinda neutral about all of this evolution and creation stuff, because either could be possible
but im slightly leaning towards the evolution side of view cuz, how the heck did god create this world? (no offense to him) i do beleive in god, but i dont go to church and stuff like that (u can beleive in god and not go to church) and im wondering, how did he do it? does he posess some kinda magical power??? if someone already posted something about this, sorry, cuz i havent read the whole entire page on this. (it is kinda long) and besides, monkeys do look like humans (even though that doesnt prove anything)
then there is the possibilties of BOTH
the world was CREATED, then things EVOLVED!
there is no true answer to this
no one really knows
(August 18, 2008 - 3:34 pm)
It's true. I don't believe every word the bible says because I'm not going put all of my trust into an ancient text. I think the Bible is wonderful (I'm reading the whole thing-currently I'm in 1Chronicles) and has many important lessons to learn. But I also think that modern thoughts should be taken into account, other religions should be considered and scientific proof should be accepted. Because I am so open I have formed my own unique view of the world and of God. Scientists aren't trying to disprove God. In fact they are revealing more about his amazing world every day.
(August 18, 2008 - 9:06 am)
Amazing arguement, wendy, 3 cheers for you.
(August 17, 2008 - 2:59 pm)
The sun may not have been srinking for all this time.
the earth is not a closed system, there for The second law doesn't apply.
Evolution does not talk about orgins of life.
(August 15, 2008 - 4:43 pm)
If you believe a God ( other than the one in the Bible ) makes the world Evolve, and if you won't accept my proof that the world is not millions of years old, what can I say?
Ps. I am most certainly not saying I think you're right.
(August 17, 2008 - 5:03 pm)
I do belive that god makes the world evolve. I just don't think he made all animals.
(August 18, 2008 - 3:41 pm)
Okay guys, let's think logically here. Look at something right now: blood clotting. For now, let's just assume that blood vessels evolved for the sake of this conversation. You have red blood cells and dead red blood cells floating around in the blood stream and suddenly, an artery ruptures. Of course, blood is going to be pumped outside. You need a blood clot if the creature's not going to bleed to death. To do that, one needs platelets and fibers. The fibers have to string themselves across the break, not across the artery, so that the platelets can clog the hole. What is the probability that fibers and platelets would have been added at the same time as blood streams and work properly all by chance.
Also, take a look at the woodpecker. It needs a hard beak and a sturdy skull to be able to, well, peck wood. But say there are no woodpeckers at the moment. They haven't evolved yet. So say a mutation occurs and a chick has a sturdy skull. It goes off and bangs it's head into the tree, just to see what happens. It's beak shatters and it dies. On the other side of the forest, a chick with a hard beak is hatched. It runs off and bangs its head into a tree just to see what happens. Its beak is in tact, but is driven back with the force of hitting a tree, that it cracks the skull. Very low probability of both happening at the same time, hm?
(August 17, 2008 - 6:13 pm)
Go Shannon!!! And Paige!!!
(August 22, 2008 - 2:53 pm)
I don't understand your emphasis on both, but here's how evolution would work. These birds aren't going around banging their heads into trees. They're trying to get into cracks in the bark to eat bugs. They probably try scraping away bark with their beaks to get to these bugs. A slight mutation occurs, and the bird with the harder skull is able to eat more bugs, live longer, and have more babies. This pattern of harder skulls continues, until we have the very specialized woodpecker of today. For more information, look up Darwin's finches. They're many species birds documented to have evolved slightly so they have subtle beak differences, allowing for different types of food to be eaten.
(September 3, 2008 - 10:35 am)
of course the obvious reaction to what most god fearing bible people say is that god is seperating the followers from the non-followers so that armegedon and judgment day can go smothly. they say that god put these things there to confuse people with science. then again you could say that it could be the bible itself which was supposed t seperate the free thinkers from the dim-witted, and fearful mice. although yes scientists have found things like radiation and light residue and the ever expansion of the universe to say tat god didnt create the world it was created by 4 membranes of energy fitting eachother as in the string theory. and that dinosaurs did live as through there bones. also that all the peices of the world formed the super continent pangaea. and by there are obvious signs of evultion because as dna replicates een today it has signs of it copying wrong, as obvious that no body is similar that everybody has a different face and body, also there are humans like my brother who show signs of evolution in not having wisdom teeth. there is also that bacteria evolve immunities to disinfectants. also the bible says the world started 4004 bc which is obviously not true.also the bible was written when sciense was barly even born. and if the bible was written by anybody else then you would be preaching someone elses words.
(August 17, 2008 - 7:26 pm)
No wisdom teeth? I'm sure they were pulled. And I beleive in continental drift, but I'm saying that before the great flood all the continents were together and the flood moved them apart. And if the Bible says the Earth was made in 4004 B.C. I believe it!!!!!! As well as for the reason that the proof favors creationism, I would much rather believe that Man is just a little lower than the angels, not just a little higher than the monkeys.
(August 18, 2008 - 12:11 pm)
Hey, Simon, good argument about the bacteria. How come no one else came up with that? Emily, you can't deny that bacteria strains have evolved to resist medications such as penicillin.
(August 18, 2008 - 6:02 pm)
Can someone carry this over to another new post? OK. I'd like to make something clear, though. There is a difference between Evolution with a capital E and evolution with a small e. Evolution with a small e means that DNA leaves room for minor changes so the animal can adapt to its environment. Evolution with a capital E means that over time animals change into other animals. Small e evolution does not prove Evolution. Small e evolution has distinct boundaries. Some variables in human DNA are for instance hair color, eye color, height (to a degree) nose length, etc. BUT THE BOUNDARIES ARE: no one is going to have blue hair, red eyes, a two-foot-long nose, be one foot tall (naturally), or anything else. By the same measure, although there are a lot of DNA variables for bacteria, it is not going to develop into a multi-celled oganism. There are still boundaries.
(August 19, 2008 - 4:19 pm)
There is no difference between the two types of evolution you name. Where do these boundaries come from? Explain the limiting factor. This blue-haired, red-eyed, one-foot-tall person would not be classified as human and would take millions of years to evolve, but why could it not happen? You are naming "boundaries," but you don't explain these mysterious forces at all!
(September 4, 2008 - 10:00 pm)