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Kyngdom: The Series!!
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Kyngdom: The Series!!
Kyngdom: The Series!!
Hi, everyone! Recently on the Nano site, those of us on the Kyngdom classroom got to thinking it would be cool if we could make Kyngdom into a TV series type thing. So we said, we couldn't we do that? And we started organizing things to do so!
We wanted to make sure everyone on Kyngdom knew about it and could be a part of it if they wished, so I thought I'd make a thread announcing it.
This is the code for the Kyngdom Series classroom:
AJAFHSKF
And this is the code for the regular Kyngdom classroom:
AJLGBNTZ
Thanks, y'all! <3
submitted by Soren Infinity, age 27 eons, BeaconTown
(January 12, 2020 - 5:52 pm)
(January 12, 2020 - 5:52 pm)
Sorry,but I keep seeing “classroom”and I don’t know what it means.I’ve gone to Nano,but I can’t find any “classrooms” please help me,I’d love to join!@admins? @anyone out there?
The classrooms are part of the Nano Young Writer's program. --Admin
(January 23, 2020 - 4:04 am)
Hi Eclipse! Classrooms have to do with the Young Writers' Program, like Admin said. You can visit it at ywp.nanowrimo.org (one of the few websites we're allowed to link on CB). Once you make an account, you can enter a code to join a classroom, where you can chat with your fellow writers.
You can only join a classroom by entering its code, which YWP will walk you through. The code to our Kyngdom Classroom is AJLGBNTZ.
Hope this was helpful!
(January 23, 2020 - 12:22 pm)
Now, don't get confused. There are several NaNoWriMo websites. But the one with classrooms is specifically ywp.nanowrimo.org (Just copy and paste that address into the search bar). When you sign up, one of the steps will be if you will join a classroom. Then you can enter the code (which Hazel already said to you).
(January 23, 2020 - 4:30 pm)
Since I am not signed in to NaNoWriMo, I hope you don't mind if I put m opinions, which I think are reasonably grounded, here.
Kyngdom was originally conceived as a medium which participants could add their personal ideas onto, in an adapted form. But now, it is slowly moving away from that and towards being a coordinated effort to construct a mythology ground-up. There's so much material people want to modify that; rather than having vision that they can add to Kyngdom, they have visions for Kyngdom. I myself am one of them.
These people consider Kyngdom in the light of the artistic laws and generally find it wanting, though they like Kyngdom for itself as well. What's happening is a simpl natural process; the first draft writers are moving out, the second draft writers are moving in. But, let us remember, the first draft isn't done yet. This is generally what happens to me when I'm writing a story; the first draft writer in me gets tired and leaves the story before it's done, and the second draft me gets revved up at the same time. When this happens, my stories have always ended up on the cutting room floor, unfinished.
Therefore I believe that the second draft writers should show some restraint and wait a bit. Let Kyngdom reach its climax- and don't rush it- before trying to change it into Art. I believe the first draft still has stuff to say that will be very significant to the second draft, which is this NaNoWrMo thing, so I want us to restrain ourselves till the story is decided at the first draft level. And that includes me, of course. For myself, I've been a prolific second draft writer, but now I'm going to move into first draft writing and, though I may toss out proposed characterizations and things, I consider that just an attempt to give other second draft writers fertilizer, not decided story-making.
But you need not be idle. Going into the second draft, we'll have to agree fundamentally on what we're making out of Kyngdom- what the main plot is, what the themes are, what the characters are, and other things.
One more point: In real movie-making, only a small number of people run the top levels of writing. It's possible that the NaNoWriMo project is running on a contradiction- often only one person can run the show, and everyone wants to be that person. Since the only kind of post here is director, it's likely everyone will split up and make their own series. As it says on the front page of NaNoWriMo, "Only you can tell your story."
If the group is to stay contiguous, you will have to specialize- one will write settings, another will write characters, another will work on themes, and someone(s) will have to choose which people should go in which posts and whether to switch them to another post.
If things go sour with this production in the way I have outlined, I propose that the NaNoWriMo classroom is repurposedinto somewhere where people can exchange character ideas and thus help eachother, or that they use some other account for the same purpose, since some people might split and others stay on the main project.
I hope this is useful to you, and please forgive me any mistakes.
(January 24, 2020 - 8:06 pm)
Hi, Xa'opve. :) It's cool to hear your thoughts on this- you have this cool sort of presence in Kyngdom, maybe not RPing, but always sharing cool ideas & thoughts with us.
First, I would just like to say: we're not putting regular Kyngdom on hold for this. We'll be working on both simultaneously. It's true that Kyngdom has been going slowly, but it has been for a pretty long time now- I've been here for, I dunno, 9-ish months maybe, and the plot hasn't moced along all that much in that time. There aren't many authors, and those of us who are still around can't always do much on here.
We've also been disscussing the future of Kyngdom a lot on the Kyngdom classroom; we have a lot of ideas floating around for the climax and resolution. We haven't forgotten about the original Kyngdom project in beginning the Series. :)
Hmm... no one single person is in charge, really. I mean, Hazel has kind of taken the lead, I guess, but it's not like, as you say, "only one person can run the show, and everyone wants to be that person." We've found a nice sort of dynamic to it.
I doubt everyone will split up and want to make their own series; we've established jobs for everyone participating (voice actors, script writers, animators, ect) and disscussed ideas and such amongst ourselves.
I do have to apologize for posting this thread at this stage in the making of it; I forgot I had volunteered to make a post about it for a little while. That was my bad. I wanted to make sure everyone on Kyngdom was aware of what we were doing, and that they could participate if they wanted to.
You've brought up some great points; we wouldn't want to jump into the series and abandon Kyngdom itself, and there of course could be issues with us trying to make a series altogether. Thank you for pointing all of this out; however, I'm confident we can pull off the climax of Kyngdom amidst an attempt to adapt it into a series. <3
(January 25, 2020 - 3:29 pm)
Thank you, Soren! I'm very glad to know someone's liking my stuff. I always seem to end up talking to myself on these threads.
I'm glad to here your way is working. You may be not supposed to talk about it here, and I understand that, but I'm curious- what exactly are the ideas that are floating about? Maybe I can help develop them, I'm pretty good at problem solving and I have a lot of knowledge about storytelling.
I think you've seen my input on the subject of Kyngdom, I needn't reiterate it, but my mind has been percolating over the subject and i have a couple more considerations which might be useful. Firstly, you have to figure out what your series is about- its themes. I see few memorable characters in Kyngdom, no real personalities, so you'll have to make those for yourselves. For main characters, go with the ones most important to the plot- Claaws, for instance. Viewpoint characters needn't be so important, they just need to be around when important stuff happens. And by important stuff, I mean plot points, not big battles neccessarily.
You'll probably be telling a social tale, not a personal one like Lord of the Rings. The sympathy of the audience is going to rest not only on single characters, but larger movements like FaFa. The fights should not only be between characters, but between different views of the world. The Powers vs. Jaaws is a white and black issue, but the fight between FaFa and BIG I've always viewed as being gray- there is, after all, something to be said for the scientific exploration. Even some of the awfuller things BIG is portrayed as doing were probably motivated by good intentions. Remember, very few people actually believe they're evil. You should, rather than portraying them as sadists and monsters, show them as people much like us who really believe they're improving the whole world by conducting these horrible experiments. I expect the other humans wouldn't like them either- such organizations tend to censure and attack anyone who criticizes them.
Another point you'll need to hit is a consistent, detailed world. You have so many blanks to fill in, it's hard to know where to begin- what sort of government do the animals have? What sort of government do the humans have? How many nations are there? Are Kyngdom animals different from Earth ones physically? What are the rules of the magic system? Are there any countries beyond the Kyngdom map? Is Kyngdom flat or on a planet?
Imagine one day spent as some creature, an animal or a human, in Kyngdom. What do you eat? What do you think about? What are the norms and rules of your society? What do you and your friends do to amuse yourselves? How do you treat your parents and other superiors? What sort of person do you lookup to? What do you think is beautiful? If you've chosen an animal, you might also ask: What age are you grown up? What expressions do you use to communicate your feelings? what's your species' lifestyle? What do you use for money? [I proposed property rights for this, but it's a very open field]. It's a huge field open for anyone, and I really suggest you start thinking about it a lot more than you have been. You seem to just assume everything works in animal society just like they do in our present-day society. But there's one important objection to that that deserves it's own paragraph.
In animal society, the citizens eat each other. Let's not beat about the bush and try to pretend this whole carnivore isn't there and that the fox, bears, dragons etc. all live on fish and catterpillars. No, they view it as normal to kill and eat creatures who can speak, think and have souls just like themselves. A wolf and a sheep might be friends, and eventually the wolf eats the sheep. He might cry a little over his meal, but he would view it as a grim neccessity, even as sadly poetic. I came up with an idea that the predators view eating as spiritual, not merely corporeal, affair, a passing of life and spirit from one creature to another. I'll treat more fully on this subject at a later date, I'm pressed for time.
Lastly, maybe you can post something on some of the art threads and ask people to make some illustrations for your series. There's a few good pictures floating around in Kyngdom, too.
Adieu
(February 11, 2020 - 6:33 pm)
Copying and pasting what I said on NaNo.
I have actually touched on some hunting stuff in the past. I did mention there was a "respectful" way of hunting. Also, I think the spiritual aspect of hunting should apply to humans as well. I imagine it would be similar to how the Na'vi from Avatar (amazing movie, by the way. Very impressive CGI.) hunt. Which is by thanking their god (in our case I imagine they would thank the Powers/whatever god they believe in instead) and the animal itself for the nourishment/food it provides. And then they wish for the animal's safe passage into the afterlife.
Adding on to that:
Hazel brought up some good points on NaNo. We've been reading through some of the older threads of Kyngdom to help get script stuff and all that. (Mostly dialogue and additional plot information.) I think it is very safe to say that the characters of Kyngdom's past were certainly not black and white in the least. (And the ones now are very complex.) For example, Morbid the Wolf, was anti-BIG. That would make them a good guy, right? Well, not really. Morbid used some very questionable methods of going against BIG, and was extremely violent/militant. Not only that, but characters like Seth and Cyl seemed to be a blend of good and bad as well.
As for themes, it definitely starts out with themes of equality and justice. As time goes on, it starts moving to themes like morality, war, the afterlife, friends and family, love, trust, betrayal, death, growth, and so on.
(February 12, 2020 - 8:15 pm)
Hi--
Morbid the wolf here, 5 years later. It's a bit surreal that somebody in this somewhat modern era is reading the posts I made when I was a kid, and not just that, analyzing them. It's completely wild. It was deeply amazing to be Morbid in 2016, and the fact that people across the country interacted and were inspired by characters and situations I created is completely ludicrous to me. I didn't get to do much as morbid, but it's the only thing I've ever made so far that's being talked about all these years later by people I've never met. By far one of the highlights of my time spent online. Thanks for the nostalgia, it's genuinely incredible.
If you or anyone else wants to know what I've been up to, I make music under the name Castle Factory.
It's been (sur)real.
--Morbid
(April 18, 2021 - 9:20 pm)
Replying to Sybill here because I don't like thin boxes:
Thank you. Your writing style is very coherent. I'm glas the issue of hunting is collecting some attention- most people avoid it like a dangerous snake.
I want to go on a little about that, but first I'll address the theme part. Now, I didn't think of it but each episode can indeed have different themes, and the episodes can be organized in accordance with either different principles or arch-themes. But that wasn't exactly what I meant, though the misunderstanding is definitely my fault.
Within any particular theme-dimension space in your story there will be a central theme, one which all the other themes are considered in relation to. In Lord of Rings it's hope, even though other sad themes such as the decay of magic and the exploitation of the natural world are also in there. In Game of Thrones, it's about a grimdark world trying to become less grimdark, even though another is human stupidity and bickering in the face of impending disaster. And some themes are bigger than others and more entrenched in the world.
So, let me make a revised version of my question. What's the top theme? What are some of the bigger themes that hang around it? How are these themes supposed to play out during the story? I'll definitely think about joining your NaNoWriMo classroom.
Now, back to the animals. In human society there is one commandment, "Thou shalt do no murder." But how can this apply to animal society? So I came up with a list of rules. Note that I use the word kill to denote killing as food as opposed to killing in warfare or duels or murder, there being such a distinction in Kaania.
Thou shalt not kill of thine own family or pack; this is Domicide
Thou shalt not kill against an oath; this is Ajury
Thou shalt not kill and not eat without good reason, or kill to excess; this is Wasting
A few more laws are in effect regionally or in certain situations, such as:
The hunted must have a chance of escaping the hunters [applies mostly when a predator is hunted].
The hunted must be of a certain age.
Another complication is that predators will often keep herds of ungulates. They protect the ungulates from being ravaged by concentrations of predators; particularly, they spare the young, only eating the old, and help the herbivores scout out the terrain better, since the wolves, wildcats and others who engage in herding are smarter than the herded. This makes for a more peaceful and predictable life for the herbivores, and an all-around better life for the carnivores.
Of course, the herding tactic also has weaknesses. Some predators specialize it taking out the defenders and getting the herds, which are more prolific and well-fed than the wild ones. Many small dragons did this solo. In response, the herders would hire other groups of specialist predator-killers. These predator-killer groups are the ancestors of Kyngdom's animal governments.
On the spirtual side that you Sybill mentioned, the animals believe that all spirit/life [the word is ihigua] descends from the first animals that were made and that it is transferred by eating to predators and thence to to soil, and that trees live by eating the spirit and when they burn it wafts off as smoke. Sylvia, the fertility goddess, is supposed to replenish it in the pups, so prayers to her are in order at birth. Spirit is distinguished from personality, which is either supposed to go off to a Hades-like land of the dead or to imprint itself on certain places. The latter theory has led to some Chinese-like cults of ancestor worship in the south.
A last note: there's a good reason why people often don't talk about the hunting thing, and that is that having two sentient creatures in a predator-prey relationship reminds us of murder and cannabalism. We know instinctively it's bad for us to do. This is one reason why the "Animals are people too" argument is so ridiculous. Even if they could talk, they wouldn't be like us; their natures are fundamentally different. Any human who lived in such a world would also need to have the same fundamental differences from us. Is that grotesque? Yes. But the problem will remain whether we face it or not. We went out to make a new world; let us take seriously the parts of it that are different from our own. Perhaps we'll learn something from them.
I realize that I have not kept my word and have not even joined the story proper yet. I had a suspicion I wouldn't. I was rash. It is very easy to talk big on the spur of the moment, and not always prudent to follow it up. I think now that best place is doing this, throwing out ideas and seeing what takes. I intend to put in something more 'normal' soon.
I hope this is helpful. Adieu. Or I should say, haawe.
(February 13, 2020 - 8:34 pm)
I logged in to YWP and tried to enter but it didn't work. Is there a limit to the number of classrooms you can join or something?
(January 28, 2020 - 10:47 am)
Ah, I found the problem. The S and the K got swapped. Here's the corrected code for the Kyngdom Classroom:
AJAFHKSF
(January 28, 2020 - 12:40 pm)