I've figured that

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I've figured that

I've figured that not many people like most musical geniuses. Well, not many people I've met. A "musical genius" is John Lennon, not "Kanye West." People who can write, sing, and play their own music, that's good. Well, that's my definition of a musical genius; yours, could be quite different. 

The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Coldplay, Queen, Louis Armstrong, Jimi Hendrix, Bob Dylan, Beethoven, Bach, Mozart, and so many others I can't think of right now. 





submitted by Beatlesrockr (Archan, age 10, Illinois, The P
(August 22, 2008 - 4:05 pm)

Beethoven, Bach, and Mozart are musical geniuses! Dvorak and Tchaikovsky are good too. :) 

submitted by Maddy, age 14, Oregon
(August 22, 2008 - 10:49 pm)

Don't forget Handel!

submitted by The Man For Aeiou, age 12, Museica
(August 26, 2008 - 8:41 pm)

All those people you mentioned are definetely musical geniuses, except for Bob Dylan.  He's annoying.

Kanye West drives me crazy!! 

submitted by Hannah R., age 13, New York
(August 23, 2008 - 12:11 pm)

Who's Kanye West? You are so true about John Lennon. He is one of my favs. Some other really good artists are Sublime, Bob Marely, and Eminem.

submitted by Isa A., age 13, Eureka, CA
(August 23, 2008 - 4:44 pm)

Bob Marley!  I LOVE BOB MARLEY!!!!!! He is the best musician EVER!!!!   I so can't believe I forgot about him!!!  He is the only musician that I can listen to the CD to three or four times in a row.  I know all of the words to all of the songs on all of the CD.  I don't have a good singing voice and really don't like singing out loud, but if Bob Marley is on, I don't care one bit!  I can't talk about him with my friends, though, because they don't have any clue who he is, because there's some comedian who is really famous in Maine, who's name is Bob Marley, and I don't even think he's funny.

submitted by Paige P., age 12, Gorham, Maine
(September 18, 2008 - 6:49 pm)

I almost forgot The Kinks. :D

submitted by Archana U., age 10, Illinois Piecef
(August 24, 2008 - 8:49 pm)

My brother would argue with you over that Kanye West thing, Beatlesrockr. =) I agree with you about Louis Armstrong; didn't he have a great voice?? My little brother and sister call him "the sore-throat-guy."

submitted by Hannah M., age 12, Ohio
(August 26, 2008 - 5:34 pm)

"The Sore-Throat Guy"? That's funny. He did have a kinda scratchy voice, but awesome all the same.

submitted by Beatlesrockr (Archan, age 10, Illinois, The P
(August 27, 2008 - 8:52 pm)

Not many people like the REAL masters of music now.

submitted by Peary M., age 11, NY
(August 27, 2008 - 12:49 pm)

That's because there's so many "artists" who, in reality, can't hold a tune to save their lives, and use technology to make themselves sound better, look better, and so on. Their "art" clogs up the radios and music stores, stealing the limelight from the rare gems who actually have talent and ability.

Furthermore, the self esteem movement essentially killed the concept of earning the right to be admired/proud of your accomplishments, not to mention that thing called craftsmanship. Which led to, of course, the caking amount of tripe we have to put up with these days. Nobody (well, hardly anyone, anyway) seems to care about the quality of their work, whether it be art or technology or whatever, as long as they continue to pad their wallets and live the life of the rich and famous.

Meanwhile, the true artists who, generally, don't churn out a new album or three every month are falling to the wayside, because American attention spans have been hammered into oblivion by the daily assaults of commercialism and instant gratification and suchlike.

As a result we have people listening to these dreadful bands who, for the most part, couldn't hold an intelligible conversation if they tried, which they wouldn't because they don't even care.

...And people wonder why I'm not fond of America. [/rant] 

submitted by TNÖ, age 15, Deep Space
(August 31, 2008 - 10:47 pm)

Well I disagree with Isa. I don't think eminem is a musical genius. I guess he has a few good songs, but pretty much it's just a beat with cussing, drugs, and women. I also think its not really Sublime, it's more the songs that Bradley wrote but half of their songs are covers.

submitted by Sage F., age 13, Bay Area CA
(September 1, 2008 - 1:10 pm)

Hi, Beatlesrockr!

I'd like to apologize in advance, in case this comment seems antagonistic. I just hear people complaining about rap music or country music all the time, and how they only like one genre. This annoys me to no end, and I hope too much of that feeling hasn't seeped through into what should be a simple question I have about your ideas on music.

So, if we go by your definition of a musical genius, one who composes their own music, and can play it, is worthy of that high title of genius. That seems a little lenient to me, but I think I can see where you're going. I do tend to disagree with you, however, when you go on to say that John Lennon, not "Kanye West" is a genius. (And I'm not sure why you've enquoted his name.) You do name quite a range of musicians, focusing mainly on music that was made by people who lived 1750-1830, and 1950-present. If commercial success was a characteristic that translated to genius, most of these musicians you name would have achieved remarkable ratings on both scales. I understand that Kanye West is not the best role model to look up to, but does that discredit his music? Plenty of the other named musicians had odd and sometimes dangerous quirks about them. TNO made an interesting point, following that the culture of today allows no room for creative expression, selecting only the flash-in-the-pan type of commercial targeted music that is prevelent today. This is an argument that I can only accept to a limited point however, as countless past generations have said the same thing, if using different guises. "This music is no good, because it's too ____ (or not ____ enough). There won't be any real good music anymore." Authors of feelings like this, I feel, have to go out there and try something new, regardless of its genre or preconcieved notions. <\rant>

Thank you for your time (I'll 'see' you soon, I'm sure),



submitted by Vendy, age 16, The United Stat
(September 2, 2008 - 4:46 pm)

An excellent point. And I won't deny I can be very antagonistic toward country and rap. Rap especially, because I prefer something with a tune.

I'll be the first to admit that there is always an exception to rules such as "XXX genre really SUCKS". In any category of music you pick up there's going to be a few people with talent who write good music that appears to aim more toward quality rather than quantity (although both together is always good).

Really the best way to approach this would be to avoid arguments that don't leave any breathing room, especially since music is an art form, and art, quite simply, cannot have rules, because that would really kind of defeat the purpose. It just doesn't work to take something that is defined by the author's interpretation and all the audience's interpretations combined and sort of mushed together, and try to give it a set of rules. 

submitted by TNÖ, age 15, Deep Space
(September 5, 2008 - 6:09 pm)

You make a good point. I just think that the new music of today, well, doesn't make you think. Of course it has a good beat to dance to or something, expresses the artist's feeling, but rappers would express love by saying "I love her" and a different person (I don't know, you pick) would maybe say "She is my rose, my heart beats only for her." You can see the difference. One makes you stop and think, the other is just straight out. A rapper would sing about drugs, and The Beatles would sing about being a walrus. I mean, when somone sings about walruses and eggmen, well, you get the picture.

I imagine a song to have a tune, rappers don't do that. I imagine a musical genius able to sing their songs without any techie stuff to make them sound better. Of course it is music. When let's say, The Jonas Brothers go live, they are so much worse than on their CDs, they sound entirely different. But if you hear (or heard) The Beatles live, they sound like they did on the CD, well, maybe more tired because they have to sing over the crowd's screaming. Anyway, some good musicians from today that I actually like are: Coldplay, Five for Fighting, Jack Johnson, Muse, Keane, etc. I don't just like the classics. Also, a lot of musicians don't even write their own songs now.

submitted by Beatlesrockr, age 10, Illinois, The P
(September 14, 2008 - 12:41 pm)

Ha! yes! Music that makes you think! Exactly...

And it takes a special talent to sing about walruses. (thinks: or straight razors, or chairs, or pies... Mm, pies...) 

submitted by TNÖ, age 15, Deep Space
(September 16, 2008 - 7:18 pm)