Rise of Skywalker

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Rise of Skywalker

Rise of Skywalker


I can't believe that no one's made a thread about this yet! Who's seen Rise of Skywalker? I haven't yet but I most likely will tomorrow. I'm excitedddd 

So if anyone's seen it, you can talk about it here and I will probably have thoughts to post tomorrow :P 

I saw Cats, and even though it got bad reviews, I loved it!


submitted by Leafy, age No, not a cat
(December 31, 2019 - 10:45 am)

I wanna see Catzzzzzzz!

submitted by Nyx, age 12 years, earth
(December 31, 2019 - 1:14 pm)

OH MY GOSH YES. I will totally take you up on a conversation about this once you've seen it.


submitted by Luna-Top!
(December 31, 2019 - 3:56 pm)


But unfortunately, I can't post much right now.. I'll get back to you on that though!  

submitted by Joan B. of Arc, age 17, Camelot
(December 31, 2019 - 4:02 pm)

I'm very mad at this movie and would love to explain why / join anyone else who is also mad at it! I'm looking forward to seeing what you think, Leafy!

submitted by slipping away, mouth of the devil
(January 1, 2020 - 1:02 am)

I understand, and I didn't even see hardly any of the new trilogy. I've been using Star Wars as a case study: what makes the originals universally loved, and the new ones hated on by half the fanbase and left for dead? Here's a few major things:

1. The heroine. Luke Skywalker is one of the best examples there is of the modern hero. He starts as a nobody with big dreams. Then he learns he has the power to help stop the Empire, which quickly makes itself infinitely more odious to him. He faces it down in the first movie, and from that makes real his dream of becoming a Rebel pilot. He fights against evil; he throws out the Dark Side of his nature, projecting it onto Darth Vader. In the second movie he has to face the realization that he comes from, and has a duty to, the Dark Side. In the third movie he shows what he's learned by fulfilling that duty, and in the process he accepts and redeems the Dark Side within him. That's a truly great story. That's why they call Star Wars 'modern mythology'. 

And Rey? She starts off as a nobody who wants to leave her planet but is tied to it by the hope of her parent's return. She is dragged away from it, and often expresses a desire to return. In the end she is told they will never be coming back. Rey learns that she can use the force, then almost immediately uses it to defeat Kylo Ren, twice, in two different ways. Remember when Jedi had to train? Then she finds Luke Skywalker. She learns from him that the Jedi order is corrupt and needs to end- the logical conclusion of the film is that we must eradicate good or else evil will rise. She rejects that idea, and Luke does the same, apparently. Then she tries to stop Palpatine, stabs Kylo in a fit of rage, resists the allures of the Emperor, dies, gets resurrected, finally walks off into the sunset calling herself Rey Skywalker rather than Rey Palpatine. I know, I haven't watched them so I'm probably missing stuff, but I think even with that my point will remain. Rey seems to have no real trajectory as a character, except that she gets more and more powerful and loved, and deserves it less and less.

2. Violation of canon. Luke Skywalker in The Last Jedi is one massive violation. I only had to watch one short scene, his mock fight with Kylo Ren, to determine that, though this might be an alright character, Luke Skywalker would never have grown up to be such a schluck. And even if we assume he did, I don't want to hear about it, you're just spoiling the triumph in Return of the Jedi. Beware when you mess with people's dreams and heroes, it can easily come back to bite you. And it bit Hollywood. Do you know, Hollywood actually had Rotten Tomatoes, a movie review website, set the rating of the Last Jedi at 84% positive when it was really rated about 62% positive? That in itself is an argument that Rise of Skywalker isn't good, since even the creators of it think that it needs to be helped along.

3. Bad delivery. This one is more sketchy, since some parts of the shooting are really good, for instance Fin's introduction, where he is marked as a man apart from the others by the bloodstreaks on his helmet. But then you have things like the Last Jedi throneroom fight. In that scene the actors miss their cues several times. In the beginning of the fight, six guards attack Kylo and Rey, who are for the moment fighting together, back-to-back. On Kylo's side the three guards adopt the stategy of running around in a tight circle, throwing blows at Kylo as they pass. With Rey it's way worse. One guard is swinging directly at Rey's headwhile she's parrying the other two. He could easily have hit her. Instead he brings his weapon up and purposefully misses, realizing just in time that cutting her head off would ruin the scene. Later on a guard fights Rey with two daggers. This scene is so idiotic it has to be seen to be believed. I suggest strongly Youtuber Shadiversities' take on it, he being an actual sword fighter (in medieval fairs and stuff, of course). His video is called "Fight Scene Autopsy: The Last Jedi Throne Room, Star Wars." The worst part of this mess is that in the middle of the fight, one of the guard's daggers disappears for no apparent reason just when he is about to stab Rey with it. Real talent in this scene, huh?

This is not to mention other suspense-ruining idiocies, such as dropping bombs in the middle of space. Yes, I said dropping bombs- not firing them with rockets but using some kind of undefined gravitational source to propel them to enemy ships. I believe there is an actual shot of this happening. Even if this happened near a star, the bomb would usually go into orbit, not drop. And gravity is generally a weak source of acceleration! A rocket would be quicker and so allow the enemy ship less time to evade. In fact, this problem was actually admitted to- the line that mentions them actually states that they are having trouble hitting Rebel ships because the bombs are slow! Likely, though I don't know, this is the only reason that the rebels could fight the First Order and get away alive! You notice the pattern? Every time the characters get into a bad situation they pull them out with some illogical, unfair, ridiculous solution.

This is important for you all to remember: whenever, outside of comedy, characters get out of their problems by contrived means, all tension is lost since the audience knows that the characters will always be saved by some chance, no matter how stupid and illogical they act. Contrivance is a sign of incompetence in a writer: complete defiance of logic, a sign of supreme incompetence.

Now, I could go on easily, it would take a rant the length of all thee movies to explain completely how bad they are. But I'm not in the mood, and anyway I think I explained enough. If I made any mistakes, please tell people in the comments. I didn't sleep all last night so I expect there are some.

Hope you see some better movies this year. 

submitted by Xa'opve, age 17, Idea Farm
(January 11, 2020 - 5:15 pm)

Ohmyghosh, eeek!! I saw it with Luna the other day, and it was epic!!!! But there are a few things I had a problem with, or were confusing, but overall, it was frickin amazing!!!

Phox says havue. Have u? Yes, I just said I did. Or maybe she's saying she has seen it? *shrugs* 

submitted by Sunshine/Spellbound , age 10, nowhere to be found
(January 1, 2020 - 9:39 am)

How was the Rise of Skywalker? What is Cats all about? Who likes Descendants 3? Sorry I have so many questions. How do I make a new thread? I just joined yesterday. Also Happy New Year you guyz It's finally 2020:):):)

Cats is based upon the stage musical Cats with music by Andrew Lloyd Webber. It doesn't have a detailed plot. Each song is describes and is sung by a different kind of cat: e.g., the Mystery Cat, the Glamour Cat, the Railway Cat, the Magical Cat, etc. Old Deuteronomy selects one cat to be born into a new life. The movie is mosty singing and dancing, a great variety of both, different styles to match the different cats. It's set in city streets and alleys with garbage cans, etc., things stray cats love.


submitted by Emekittycon k, age 11, Redford, MI
(January 1, 2020 - 12:46 pm)

To make a new thread, click the box in the upper left hand corner that says 'click here to talk about _____'. Then it will look like you're writing a coment or reply, but it's actually a new thread. Hoped this was helpful and made sense! See you around!

submitted by Sunshine/Spellbound , age 10, nowhere to be found
(January 1, 2020 - 4:07 pm)

Oof we weren't able to see it yesterday but we ARE going to see it on Saturday, we have tickets and everything. So...yeah.

submitted by Leafy, age No, not a cat
(January 2, 2020 - 3:50 pm)

Can someone please tell me if Rise of Skywalker was good? I was thinking of going to go watch it but I didn't know if I should! Admin, Was Cats good? I was also thinking about watching Cats. My friend told me she watched it but she didn't give me a review.

Yes, I enjoyed Cats. It has great music, lyrics, and dancing. It does not have an intricate plot.


submitted by Luminara
(January 2, 2020 - 11:08 pm)

I have no interest in Star Wars, but I do DESPERATELY want to see Cats. To be honest I'm expecting it to be WILDLY bad but I want to see it just for the entertainment value.

I enjoyed Cats. It's not "bad" at all; it just doesn't have an involved story/plot. If you go with the realistice expectation to enjoy the music, lyrics, characters, and dancing, then I think you'll like it like I did.


submitted by Abigail, age Old enough, Inside my head
(January 4, 2020 - 11:13 pm)

I saw Rise of Skywalker yesterday. It's so freaking good but a few parts don't make sense and/or are recycled from Episode 6, Return of the Jedi. 


REY IS A PALPATINE! WHAT!? WHAT ABOUT THAT WHITE LIGHTSABER? ALSO, LEIA WAS A JEDI!? I'm sorry, but when Rey died, and Ben (he's not Kylo Ren anymore, he turned good) healedher with the force, and then he gives his life to her, that was totally copied from when Vader gave his life to Luke in Return of the Jedi. Also, PALPATINE. FREAKING PALPATINE. Who is Rey's grandmother? Who are Rey's parents? 

And most important, WHAT DID FINN NEED TO TELL REY!?

-Spoilers Ended-


submitted by Secret
(January 5, 2020 - 7:13 am)

@Luminara: It depends on how much you care about the Star Wars franchise. I don't regret watching it because I like Star Wars and I wanted to see how the trilogy ended. However, I'm still absurdly disappointed in the movie. It's not good, so if you don't care enough to have yourself subjected to 2.5 hours of terrible, I'd say don't bother.


I didn't feel like a "few" parts were recycled - the whole movie was supposed to be throwbacks to episode 6. Rescuing Chewie was a throwback to rescuing Leia from the Death Star, all the things you mentioned, plus they added all those old characters in like Lando mostly just for the nostalgia. That was purposeful and it was the entire point of the movie. (doesn't mean I like it, though.) Leia was a Jedi, they revealed that in episode 8 when she did that Force projection of herself; they just built on it in this movie. And, last but not least, I'm pretty sure Finn was going to tell her that he was in love with her. But then he didn't have to, because he got his own weird-horse riding alien ex-stormtrooper love interest! (please read that in a snarky voice. I hate when characters get paired off like that.)
The whole Palpatine thing!! Ridiculous!!


submitted by slipping away, mouth of the devil
(January 5, 2020 - 3:20 pm)

Just going to say it... BEN SOLO DESERVED BETTER 


submitted by a ghost
(January 6, 2020 - 8:31 am)

@slipping away | Thank you for telling me. Personally, I have been an uncultured swine and haven't watched all of the original movies. I never actually really have the patience to sit down and watch all of the original movies. I think it'd be recommended to watch them, though.

My friend just literally told me the whole movie since I wasn't really going to watch it after hearing of how disappointing it was. Something about the confusingness (is that a word? Probably not... Whatever.) of everything. Something about mums and love and stuff like that. (Still confused.)

submitted by Luminara
(January 6, 2020 - 11:49 pm)