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Vampires. Discuss.No

Vampires. Discuss.

Not entirely sure if this is the appropriate place to put this, but oh well.

For calm, polite, open-minded discussion of different types of vampires in fiction. CALM, mind you, so please no ad hominem attacks or capslock abuse, okay?

I figured that since there's a lot of people who like Twilight and a lot who dislike Twilight, why not make a thread for a general discussion of vampires.

For example, who is better, Edward Cullen or Bram Stoker's classic vampire Dracula, and why do you think that?

Do you like Buffy-the-Vampire-Slayer style vampires better, or the old old style vampires that were red and bloated like leeches?

Does it make sense for vampires to sparkle? Does it make sense for vampires to burst into flame in the sunlight?

Do you like the traditional idea that vampires cannot enter a house without being invited first?

And so on.

But please, if you're going to post, please explain the reasoning behind your statement (e.g., I like Edward Cullen better than Angel because..."). If someone disagrees with you, or if you disagree with someone else, state arguments or counter-arguments calmly and respectfully - you'll seem more intelligent that way, anyway. Debate is good, it encourages thinking. Close-minded insult contests, however, kill brain cells. And kittens! PLEASE, THINK OF THE KITTENS!!!

submitted by TNÖ, age 15, Deep Space
(March 2, 2009 - 12:43 am)

Close-minded insults kill kittens? I had no idea. *shakes head*

I completely don't believe in vampires, but I agree that they're intriguing to fantasize about.

I had never heard that vampires can't enter a house without invitation, but it strkes me as vaguely weird. For instance- and here I might be wrong, since I only know the general idea of the storyline for Dracula- didn't the vampire there sneak into that girl's room and suck her blood (was it Lucy?) because the garlic was removed from the room? I don't think he received solicitation to enter.

Besides, woud anyone be empty-headed enough to actually invite a vampire into their house? That strikes me as a no-brainer.

Sparkling vampires? Sparkling rainbows, maybe. Sparkling fairies. But not sparkling vampires. I think that sort of takes away the whole intimidation factor.

Vampires burst into flame if touched by sunlight. Ah. I didn't know that. I mean, of course I knew they can't tolerate sunlight, but I thought they turned to dust.

No, wait, sorry, that's the stake through the heart. They burst into dust and disappear if you put a stake through their hearts. And I will admit that when I was younger I thought it was a steak, as in the meat. Clueless.

Out of pure interest, Dracula was actually just a grumpy old count or something, right? Mr. Stoker portrayed him as a blood-sucking vampire. This is just what I've heard, and I'm not sure if it's accurate feedback.

submitted by Mary W., age 11, Bordentown, NJ
(March 2, 2009 - 12:27 pm)

That vampires can't enter a house without information is a long-established - if mostly forgotten - tradition. You've never watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer, I take it?

Anyway, the whole Dracula thing; Lucy sleepwalks. The first time he sucks her blood, Lucy actually sleep-walks out of her room and into a cemetery. Later she is seen to have an unconscious desire for the vampire to enter - as seen in the way she pulls the garlic away from her neck while she's sleeping. The garlic was only placed in the room AFTER Lucy had unconsciously invited the vampire in to drink her blood. After a vampire gets permission once he can enter at will.

As to why vampires would actually be invited into a house, there are several reasons. In Lucy, the invitation was unconscious and she didn't realize that she had issued it. Renfield, later in the book, was tempted to open a window with promises of riches and happiness. In a more modern example, Buffy's mother in BtVS invites a vampire in because she doesn't realize that the vampire is a vampire - in fact she doesn't know vampires exist at all. Similarly Buffy invites Angel in because she doesn't realize he's a vampire.

Re: sparkling vampires: "THIS IS THE SKIN OF A KILLAH!!!!" *sparkle sparkle sparkle* Ah... No.

Vampires traditionally burst into flame because sun = truth and vampires = demonic creatures who cannot abide truth. In many works of fiction, however, vampires are not immediately killed by sunlight, or are merely hampered by it. For example, vampires in Skulduggery Pleasant (good book by the way, you should look into it) are for all intents and purposes weak, blind humans during the day, only transforming into fearsome monsters after the sun goes down.

Dracula was a vampire. He drinks blood, turns Lucy into a vampire, turns into a bat and into a wolf, is repulsed by holy water, garlic, and silver, crosses especially. He has no reflection and cannot go out in the sun. He's a vampire. The entire book, however, was a metaphor for Stoker's habit of going out at night, leaving his sick wife at home. He viewed himself as a sort of vampire and wrote a book about it.

submitted by TNÖ, age 15, Deep Space
(March 2, 2009 - 8:33 pm)

Um...since I have not actually read Twlight, can someone tell me what exactly a vampire is?

submitted by Lena G, age 11
(March 2, 2009 - 12:30 pm)

Twilight vampries (meyerpires) are not vampires, they are fairies pretending to be vampires pretending to be humans. They break every rule of vampirism ever made.

USUALLY, vampires are evil creatures that survive on human blood. They are vulnerable to sunlight, garlic, silver, crosses, holy water, etc.

There are many types of vampires. There are the suave, pale vampires like Dracula. Others, like Nosferatu, are hideous monsters. Some are large, bloated red leech-like things. And some vampires are indistinguishable from humans until the feed is upon them, in which case they appear demonic. 

submitted by TNÖ, age 15, Deep Space
(March 2, 2009 - 8:39 pm)

No, I've never watched Buffy the Vampire Slayer, though I've heard of it.

And now, unfortunately, I am confused. The "meyerpires" (haha) are fairies pretending to be vampires pretending to be humans? Whaaat? Why don't they just pretend to be humans, and why are they not just being their regular fairy selves?

(Ihaven't read Twilight. I think it's absurd.)

Okay, what about vampire bats? Those are real, I obviously know that, but the name is metaphorical, because they suck blood. So who invented vampires, and was the name "vampire" based on the vampire bats or was the common name for that species based on the vampire (the make-believe monster)? Trust me, I'd research ths in my spare time, except that I have no spare time.

This is an interesting thread. And TNO seems to be some kind of expert on vampires. *shrug*

(Okay, seriously. Where is the option key? The least TNO deserves for all this vampire education is an umlat. Is my keyboard defective or something?! Or is it just me?!)

Judging from what you said about Mr. Stoker, he sounds somewhat unpleasant. I'm guessing he was very depressed or something?

P.S. Skulduggery Pleasant... I've heard of that. Who's the author?

 

Mary, on my IMac keyboard, option is on the bottom row, second key from the left. I don't know where it is on a PC.

Admin

submitted by Mary W., age 11, Bordentown, NJ
(March 4, 2009 - 9:15 pm)

meyerpires are called vampires, they're not really fairies. But... they sparkle. In my book, sparkly = fairy. *shrug*

BtVS is a good show. Look it up sometime. The vampires are teh awesome. *nodnod*

I'm actually not sure where the term "vampire" originally came from... Hum... shall have to look that up sometime. In a book. For now, though, here's what wikipedia has to say on the subject:

"The English term was derived (possibly via French vampyre) from the German Vampir, in turn thought to be derived in the early 18th century from the Serbian вампир/vampir... The exact etymology is unclear."

I'm fairly certain that the name "vampire bats" was derived from the myth of the blood-sucking undead, as vampire legends have been around for much longer than the knowledge of the vampire bat became widespread. 

Legends of vampires probably began from a combination of lack of understanding about decomposition and contagion, premature burial, possibly rabies, and possibly pophyria, a rare blood disorder, etc. The pophyria link has been widely discredited however.

I'm not an expert, mind. I just find them fascinating. And fun to write. 

Skulduggery Pleasant... Er... *raids sister's bookshelf* Derek Landy. It's pretty good, I recommend it.

As to the option key... If you're on a Mac, the option key is between the control key and the command (apple) key, at the lower left side of the keyboard, next to the space bar. Umlauts are different on windows, though. I think you have to go through some convoluted "insert... symbol" process which still escapes me after years of using Word on the school computers. If you are on a windows machine, I certainly won't begrudge a simple TNO. I know I'd never take the time to make umlauts on a windows... :) 

submitted by TNÖ, age 15, Deep Space
(March 5, 2009 - 12:09 am)

On mine too. I'm really sorry you can't find it. TNÖ, maybe you should erase the umlat from your name (just joking).

submitted by Lena G , age 11
(March 5, 2009 - 7:58 am)

I haven't read any books about vampires other than Twilight, and I am currently regretting that.  *tears out hair in frustration*

Oh, and Mary: I read that tales of vampires came from people who had a very rare disorder (I think it was a disorder) called . . . oh anyway, I forget.  But this disorder caused the urine of these people to appear reddish.  Also, if they go into the direct sunlight they're skin peels away, so they ended up never leaving their houses.  So: blood-sucking and cannot withstand sunlight.  As for the rest, perhaps one individual didn't like garlic too much?  Or couldn't go to church because their skin would burn, therefore considered a devil?  I dunno. 
submitted by BellaTrix
(March 5, 2009 - 9:35 am)

No one's really sure where vampire myths came from, because the myths have been around for a looooong time. The disorder and others like it have been put forward many times as possible origins. 

submitted by TNÖ, age 15, Deep Space
(March 5, 2009 - 8:02 pm)

I know.  It's just a theory.  And an interesting one, I might add.

submitted by BellaTrix
(March 6, 2009 - 9:43 pm)

I love twilight! My dad has some vampire books that he says that I have to be fourteen before I read them. He first said eighteen then said sixteen I said fourteen then he said fine then i said eleven then he said no, fourteen. i don't believe that because a half a year ago he said I had to be fourteen before I read the hobbit, guess what, I have read the hobbit allready.

submitted by Meadow, age 11, IL
(March 6, 2009 - 2:27 pm)

Ugh, sorry I take that back. I was over reacting. The only thing I love about twilight is that she describes things well. I don't like it until the ending. Actually, I kind of like it, I don't like it though.

submitted by Meadow, age 11, IL
(March 9, 2009 - 8:35 am)

Thanks, Administrator! ...Is it labeled "Option" or is it just a little thingie that looks sort of like... um, I don't know... a fish with a checkered body and wavy tail?

(Or am I just completely insane, comparing computer keys to mareine life...?)

submitted by Mary Liz, age 11
(March 9, 2009 - 4:34 pm)

I have read twilight only, but i really like vampires. after reading twilight, i started looking for vampire books i could read, but have so far read none.  i understand nothing of what you said.  can you inform me of some good vampire books?  really good ones, i mean.  not just those childrens books that are really dumb and supposed to be scary and aren't.  i need something to read, and i want to know what you are talking about.  has to be something a preteen or teen would be allowed to read!  thanks!

submitted by JJ, age ummm...12, CA
(March 7, 2009 - 11:47 pm)

DRACULA. I read it first when I was 11 and then again this year and it was wonderful both times. It has a lot of traditional vampiric lore and a suspenseful story line. Also, I can't see your parents objecting to it because it's a lot better than some of the junk you could be reading instead.

As to more modern material... There's a series called the Chronicles of Vladmir Tod about a 13-year-old non-traditional Dhampir (half-vampire) which is pretty good and a quick read. The books are Eighth Grade Bites and Ninth Grade Slays, so far.

And now I'm drawing a blank. 

submitted by TNÖ, age 15, Deep Space
(March 8, 2009 - 9:35 pm)