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In a recent conversation I had, an incredibly important and controversial topic came up.
This matter must be settled:
Can a pop-tart be considered a ravioli?
submitted by Alizarine, age unknown, whereabouts uninteresting
(March 24, 2018 - 9:16 am)
(March 24, 2018 - 9:16 am)
Specifically filled with what?
(March 28, 2018 - 6:11 am)
See hotairballoon's comment.
(March 28, 2018 - 4:02 pm)
I meant that it's filled PASTA, specifically, so it can't be a pop tart.
(March 28, 2018 - 4:02 pm)
What do I have to add this? here:
This is THE best thread created on chatterbox since time became a thing.
Seriously.
This is SO funny!
(March 26, 2018 - 3:10 pm)
I agree.
*pulls out popcorn* I'll just watch. Carry on!
(March 26, 2018 - 9:11 pm)
According to the internet, the official definition of ravioli is "small pasta envelopes containing ground meat, cheese, or vegetables."
Therefore in order for something to be considered a ravioli, it must be made of pasta and contain a meat, cheese, or vegetable filling. Otherwise? Not ravioli.
Which means that poptarts, which are not made of pasta and (usually) contain jam filling... cannot by any means be considered ravioli.
P.S: if you stare at the word ravioli long enough it starts to not look like a real word.
(March 27, 2018 - 7:18 am)
According to the internet, a club sandwich is 'a sandwich of meat (usually chicken and bacon), tomato, lettuce,
and mayonnaise, with two layers of filling between three slices of toast
or bread.'
Therefore, for something to be considered a club sandwich, it must meet the criteria above. And subsequently, anything that does not meet the above criteria is NOT a club sandwich.
Also according to the internet, the defintion of a BLT is 'a sandwich filled with bacon, lettuce, and tomato.'
Once again, if it meets those requirements, it is a BLT. If it does not, then it is not a BLT.
Therefore, a club sandwich and a BLT are not the same thing.
But, they are both sandwiches, and they belong in the same category.
And, by parallel reasoning, Pop-tarts and ravioli are in the same category.
(BTW, that is a very interesting fact about the word 'ravioli'.)
(March 27, 2018 - 11:36 am)
But you can't use parallel reasoning in this scenario, that doesn't work. You're classifying BLTs and club sandwiches in the same category, which is correct - but "sandwich" is just a general term for "two slices of bread with stuff in between." No general term exists for "rectangular objects with some sort of filling inside," meaning pop-tarts and ravioli don't belong to the same category. Pop-tarts belong to numerous categories such as pastries and breakfast foods. Ravioli belong to the pasta category. But simply by means of classification there is no way a pop-tart and ravioli can be considered to be in the same category.
(March 27, 2018 - 6:43 pm)
Introducing the word:
Saccuish!
Sacc·u·ish
(SOCK·oo·ish), noun
1. A foodstuff composed of two flat pieces of something (usually dough or pasta) with a filling sealed in the middle
2. A final tactic used to close an argument, trump card. (See also: Meet one's waterloo)
Exmp: The word 'saccuish' was the saccuish in the debate.
Synonyms: none
Antonyms: none
Etymology: Comes from the word 'sacculus', the latin word meaning 'little bag'. The second definition was coined due to the original purpose of use.
*Dabs*
Hey Inktail, could you please pass the popcorn?
(March 28, 2018 - 6:10 am)
I searched this word up on Google and there's only six results, none of which have anything to do with the word itself. I was talking about official words (like, in the dictionary), and since you made this one up it doesn't count.
Aaaand even if it did count, that still wouldn't mean pop-tarts and ravioli were the same thing. Just because two objects are in the same category doesn't mean they are objectively the same. Categorically speaking, a scrambled egg on a bagel and a peanut-butter and jelly on rye can both be classified as a sandwich, but you wouldn't look at both of those sandwiches and say "these are the same thing." Because they're not, the bread is different and the things inside the bread are different.
Just as an egg on a bagel isn't the same as a PB&J on rye, a pop-tart is not the same as a ravioli. So tell ABBA to get out of here, I'm not facing my waterloo just yet :)
(March 28, 2018 - 11:28 am)
OHH...
Alright, I had some clarity issues on my part. My bad.
My original thesis statement was: 'Pop-tarts can be considered a type of raviloi'. The actual meaning was unclear because I was using the word 'raviloi' in two different ways.
'Ravioli' the food, and 'raviloi' the category of foods in which are foods composed of two flat pieces of something (usually dough or pasta) with a filling sealed in the middle.
I AM NOT saying that 'breakfast pastry that tastes like cardboard = noodle filled with cheese, no questions asked'. I meant that 'breakfast pastry that tastes like cardboard is a member of the set [foods composed of two flat pieces of something with a filling sealed in the middle]' (Excuse my set theory.)
Now, here is my updated, clarified thesis statement, as clear as Claritin.
Pop-tarts and ravioli both undeniably belong in the category of foods composed of two flat pieces of something (usually dough or pasta) with a filling sealed in the middle.
I was refering to this category as 'raviloi', but I see how that was confusing. That's why I invented the word saccuish, in an attempt to clear things up.
This clarification disqualifies your March 28, 2018 - 11:28 am counter because you were arguing against something I was never arguing for.
So as they say in chess,
Check.
(March 28, 2018 - 4:39 pm)
Dangit, if you had told me all this before I wouldn't have spent so much time writing out those arguments! :P
Yes, pop-tarts and ravioli can be said to belong in the same category, for sure. I thought you were attempting to make the argument that they are objectively the exact same thing. I concede.
...Alright, come on back in here, ABBA!
(March 29, 2018 - 6:45 am)
And, as for 'Just because two objects are in the same category doesn't mean they are objectively the same',
I completely agree.
(March 28, 2018 - 4:40 pm)
YES
(March 28, 2018 - 4:04 pm)
Hear, hear.
(March 27, 2018 - 11:46 am)