Hispanic Heritage Month

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Hispanic Heritage Month

Hispanic Heritage Month is here, and I thought it would be a good time to get some things off my chest. Whenever I go to the library, or listen to the radio, or whatever, people are always talking about Hispanic culture, which is lovely - it's great to have all the Latins in the US acknowledged. BUT. People keep saying things about Mexican culture that are just so untrue, and I wanted to point them out so I could do my bit to contribute to a True Image of this wonderful culture. (I'm Mexican on one side of my family, American on another.) Here are some of the Culture Myths I've noticed:

-Mexican culture is "macho." *sobs* Everyone says this and it is unbelievably far from the truth. If you don't believe me, just go read a few good Germán Dehesa essays, or some Mafalda cartoons, or something, and you'll see what I mean.  Women and men are treated exactly equally - the thing is, nobody cares if you're a man or woman. They just look at you as a human. The result is that women don't have this whole history that women in the US do, of being denied their rights and being told they don't count. Of course, historically, women in Latin cultures weren't allowed to vote and all that stuff, but they often had more legal rights than women in, for example, the US. For instance, women were allowed to keep their maiden names after marriage, which in itself shows that they were seen as their own people rather than being attached to their husbands. Some other facts that show how respected women are:

-the entire city of Guadalajara was founded when the men who wanted to found it were bickering about where it should be, and a woman who was there got fed up and said it would be in the place where they were at the moment, and they listened to her. Result: the beautiful, amazing, wonderful city of Guadalajara.

-One of Mexico's best poets and playwrights, Sister Juana Ines de la Cruz, wrote in the 1600s, openly, as a woman, and nobody batted an eyelid. In the 1600s!!

-Both of Mexico's presidential candidates right now are women.

-Women don't think they have to prove that they can be "like men." Instead, they know that they can be feminine and yet be strong - being feminine doesn't mean you have to be weak. This means they can be themselves (yes, a lot of women are quite feminine, thank you). On the other hand, if you happen to not feel very feminine, that's 100% okay too.

Okay, some more culture myths about Mexico:

-The Spanish who conquered it slaughtered all the Native Americans. Not true!! A lot of them died from disease, but it wasn't because the Spanish were trying to kill them. The ones who survived carried on with many of their old customs. A few decades ago, for instance, in very rural areas, many people didn't even speak Spanish.

-The children of Mexican immigrants to the US feel rebellious and come into conflict with their strict, horrible families. I've noticed YA novels portraying this a lot. Again, not true!! Mexican families are usually some of the most loving, accepting ones I've ever heard of. They do expect you to be a nice, polite, caring person, but that's all.

-A lot of novels about Latins seem to involve ghosts and dead people and stuff like that - I don't know why. Traditionally, Latin culture has absolutely no references to magic or anything like that. It's very grounded in reality.  We do have the Day of the Dead in Mexico, but the media portrays it as way more grisly than it really is. It's actually quite a minor holiday, not at all like Christmas or Easter, and there's no emphasis on death or ghosts or skeletons - it's just a day to remember your loved ones who have passed on, and quite beautiful. 

-Mexicans can be classified as "brown." *sobs again* This one's complex to explain. Lots of Mexicans are brown-skinned; some even look mulatto. Others are super, super pale. So it's very inaccurate to call us "brown people." But there's another reason I object to calling us this - it's irrelevant what skin color we are. If we must be grouped, I'd rather we were grouped according to culture, not skin color, which has nothing to do with who we are. It seems to me degrading for people to assume that we can be labeled according to that. Imagine if Mexicans started referring to Americans as "Blond People" all the time instead of calling them Americans.

Anyway, I guess all of this is just to ask that please, please, you take everything the media says about Latin culture with a grain of salt. It's so sad for me to see my culture being turned into something shallow, alien to everything I've grown up with. I really want to show people what it really is like, both in its beautiful customs and traditions, and in its happy, independent, fun-loving worldview. I hope this helps with that. If you want to learn more about real Latin culture, which I would definitely recommend, feel free to ask me for the names of books, music, movies, etc. that would give you a good idea of it! I'd be very happy to share them (and, aside from portraying Latin culture, I promise they will all be funny, interesting, entertaining, etc. in their own right). And, to conclude, if there are any stereotypes or misconceptions about your own culture that you've noticed, feel free to share those too! I definitely want to be sure that I'm not getting a skewed picture of anyone else's culture :)

Okay, that's it. Probably a very long thread, but hopefully interesting :)

submitted by Poinsettia, age who knows
(October 14, 2023 - 3:05 pm)

Bolivia has a navy. I'm Bolivian, and I find that ridiculous.

submitted by Endless_Parodies
(October 14, 2023 - 7:14 pm)
submitted by top
(October 14, 2023 - 7:51 pm)

hiii! could i get some of those media recommendations you were talking about? thanks:D

submitted by Tsuki the Skywolf
(October 15, 2023 - 5:34 pm)

Thank you so so much for this @Poinsettia!! I'm always trying to find the truth behind everything/the stereotypes, and so I love that you did this, yay!!! I'll be sure to keep all this in mind when thinking about Mexican culture! And, yes, I would love, especially music recommendations, thank you! Btw, hope this isn't offensive or anything, sorry if it is you don't have to answer, but do you think the movie Coco portrays Mexican culture accurately? Bc, honestly speaking, that's literally where I get all I know about Mexican culture from... :/

 

And, yess, I'm Asian as you all know, and I feel like the media is always potraying Asian parents as these always-concerned-with-grades-and-nothing-else people, which I suppose could be valid because immigrants had to learn the hard way to work hard for all you've got, so they want their kids to do that too and to have the best life possible, and you can do that by exceeding in academics, but, while that may be some parents, I know LOTS of Asian parents aren't like that (and I feel like I NEVER see relaxed Asian parents in media or whatever, which is always so frustrating! I mean, I do like the media, or at least what I've seen of it (e.g. American Born Chinese, Chang Can Dunk..), and it's true in its own way, I don't want to discount anything it's saying really, but it makes it feel like that's all we are, academics, good grades, that's it, and we're so much more!! So I guess I just want to add on), while still wanting what’s best for their kids though oc! For example, my own parents! They're super chill about everything. Sure, they want my brother and I to get good grades, do well in school, but they're not freaking out about it or anything. Whenever I'm up late working on a math problem, trying to figure out the exact correct answer, my mom tells me to just forget it and go to bed. Sometimes I skip Chinese school because I have a soccer game and my dad tells me it's more important not to let the team down. When I get a bad grade on a test, which, admittedly, is not often, but when I do, my parents don't blow or anything. They're not disappointed really (well, maybe a bit, but that's normal of course). They just try to find ways to help us do better and.. yeah. Just what any parent does. Sometimes we laugh a bit if I made a particularly erroneous error. That's it. And my brother and I are really out and about a lot. We play a lot of sports, instruments, sing and dance and perform, do fun summer camps and stuff. We do lots of stuff for pure fun. My family is a really big movie-watching family, so lots of movie/TV-show nights, and everyone's got a humongous sweet tooth, so there are always snacks/candy around somewhere (and we have like a literal entire freezer devoted to ice cream, stocked at least halfway with pints and bars and drumsticks and popsicles and sandwiches and other tasty treats at any given time, we're told to basically just help ourselves whenever we want (not that we ever really do, for some weird reason):) ), we have lots of playdate with friends, and... my parents are really just amazing and lovely and I love them so much so... yup!

but, oc, this is just my perspective, others may feel differently :)

And I hope this doesn't make my parents sound incompetent at all, they're not in the least. We still have lots of rules, of course.

Also, I'm open to giving (and receiving!) recommendations for Asian music (UFM is a Singaporean radio station I love!), movies, books, food (ohh I LOVE Asian food so much!! And contrary to what my 5th grade teacher thinks, it's SOOO much more than just dumplings dumplings dumplings, and even then, there are so many different types of dumplings!), any of the like! :D

submitted by CelineBurning Bright, age As Needed, The FireMist Sea
(October 15, 2023 - 8:33 pm)

yesss the stereotypes...

you could probably make a thread for this! 

submitted by Moon Wolf, age lunaryears, A Celestial Sky
(October 16, 2023 - 8:02 pm)

Wow, your family sounds really nice :) And I'm soooo glad you asked about Coco, because it's a great example of the media not portraying Mexico correctly. Basically everything about it seemed like a whole different world from what Mexico is like... part of it was stereotypical and incorrect, part of it wildly removed from Mexican culture. It actually seemed to me like it had been influenced more by Indian culture.  My parents have several Indian friends and acquaintances, so I've heard a lot about what Indian culture is like. But, of course, I don't really know much about it, that's just what it seemed like to me.

I'll be posting more general recs later on, but for now, here are some good examples of Mexican music:

-El corrido de Chihuahua, by Lucha Reyes (I love it so much)

-Rayando el sol, by Maná (because aside from traditional music we also have our own pop music, which is actually quite popular worldwide, and also I know a guy who went to high school with the singers for Maná so I feel quite attached to that band :D)

-"Los productos chinos," and "Las mamás tienen radar," both by Monedita de Oro. They're very funny songs for kids and teens. They're in Spanish, but hopefully you can add English subtitles if you find them online.

-"Donde vamos a parar," and "Virgen de la soledad," by Paco Padilla. My family used to listen to a CD of Paco Padilla when we went on road trips, and I love his songs... they're so pretty.

-Mariana Pineda, by Juan Redondo. It's actually Spanish, but Spain is still Latin, so it counts :) 

You can also try listening online to the radio station Mariachi Eterno, which is a station in Mexico City. It has great songs, and mariachi is a very important form of Mexican music, so I'd definitely recommend that you listen to it :)

submitted by Poinsettia, a sea of crystal waters
(October 18, 2023 - 1:07 pm)

I love these songs so much!! Thank you!!

listening to Donde vamos a parar rn and you're right, it's so pretty!! Very kinda airy and soft and gentle too, but powerful, and so awesome!! You can really feel everything, and you definitely don't need to know what the words say to know what they mean, I love it!

And now listening to El Corrido de Chihuahua and ooh love it it's so festive!! Like that time-lapse of the clouds too! Wow these voices are really powerful.

Hmm I can't find subtitles for Los Productis de Chinos... but it definitely sounds very fun, I love the music in all of these! I'll see if I can find a translation later maybe.. or my dad speaks Spanish so I'll try to ask him.. ooh yeah same thing with Las Mamas Tiene Radar, sounds awesome.. ok Google translate.. "moms have radar"?? That actually kinda makes some sense.. but can you trust Google translate?

I can't find Virgen de la Soledad.. I'll look again later.. 

Mariana Pineda (romance popular recogido en Ubeda) version libre?? I can't find another version.. ok, hope so.. it's kinda funny, I'm suddenly getting all these commercials in Spanish! Kinda creepy too... I even got a Grammarly commercial in Spanish XD! Ooh yeah love this one too, the plucking of the strings are a nice effect, sounds like Juan Redondo (or whoever) is telling a story for some reason.. it's nice, it feels like I'm journeying through all these lands and sleeping and facing hardships and waking when the sun comes up and looking for something for some reason.. I can see everything unfolding in my head though I have no idea what is happening at all, it's just the kind of vibes the song gives out (I may be totally wrong with this). Kinda sad but beautiful, and Juan Pineda's voice is really nice here, like up and down and softer and louder...

Didn't you put Rayando el Sol on a playlist or something?? It looks familiar, I remember listening to it... oh wow that's really cool, but really good song too!

I'll look for that Radio station you mentioned! 

 

anyways, sry for any spelling mistakes, thank you so much @Poinsettia!! :DD 

submitted by Celine@Poinsettia
(October 23, 2023 - 2:39 pm)

Oh, and happy Hispanic heritage month!!! :D

submitted by CelineBurning Bright, age GraceLin!, Battling Stereotypes
(October 15, 2023 - 8:34 pm)

I'm not Latino, but I do have roots in Spain that is traceable back to 1492. I wonder if that counts?????

submitted by Sinusoidal
(October 16, 2023 - 10:01 am)

Here are my recs! They're very varied, so if you try some and don't like them much, chances are you'll like the others :)

-Jorge Negrete movies. These are old black-and-white movies from about the 1940s; they show what Mexico was like back then. They all star Jorge Negrete, a famous Mexican actor, and they're in Spanish, but you can probably watch them with English subtitles. Some of the best ones are No basta ser charro (It's not enough to be a charro) and Alla en la rancha grande (On the Ranch). They're funny, have great songs, and are just overall interesting. Sadly, Mexico has changed a lot since they were made - it's a lot more modern and urban now - but it's still a good way to get a feel for the culture.

-Chapulin Colorado episodes. El Chapulin Colorado was a TV series back in the 1970s and 1980s. The episodes are humorous, all about the exploits of a (supposed) superhero. The humor lies in the fact that he isn't really that much of a superhero; it makes fun of the whole idea of an all-powerful savior, which is a very Mexican thing to do. It also caricatures life in Mexico at the time and has lots of references to life in Mexico City. Because of this, I'm not sure it would be very funny to anyone who wasn't experienced in Mexican culture, but you can give them a try if you want. The best one is "La romantica historia de Juleo y Rumieta," which is a parody of Romeo and Juliet and perfectly hilarious.

-Caminos del Son: Los Cenzontles en Veracruz 2004. This is a documentary about Los Cenzontles, a Mexican band which plays traditional music, and a trip they took to Veracruz. It's fascinating; it's one of those documentaries that really makes you feel as if you're there, rather than stuffing you full of random information. You get a wonderful feel for what it's like in rural Veracruz, and of the kindliness and warmth of Mexican people. Plus, there's tons of great music. I'd definitely recommend it. It's in Spanish, but again, you can probably add English subtitles if you find it online.

I haven't time for any more, but I'll be back... :)

submitted by Poinsettia@Tsuki, a sea of crystal waters
(October 17, 2023 - 4:44 pm)

One of my friends is Mexican-American, and even though I've noticed some of her cultural things are a bit different from mine, she's an amazing person and I don't see her as different besides that. I also appreciated that bit about femininity, bc it's weird but it's sometimes difficult accepting myself when I feel feminine and everyone else seems like they aren't ... I guess it's really about being true to yourself and how you feel- if you feel feminine, sure, and if you don't, that's totally fine too. Anyway, thx for this thread!

submitted by Flamarestii, Rohan
(October 17, 2023 - 7:38 pm)

You're welcome; thanks for reading it! :) Yeah, it's weird how it feels like women are being pressured to be more... masculine, I guess? It's just the opposite of how the US used to be, when women were pressured to be housewives. It gets kinda tiring, like can't women just be whoever they want to be and not get defined all the time because of their gender??? Suppose I don't want to be an engineer? Suppose I just want to get married and have kids?

anyway, i also wanted to apologize for not showing up on our chat thread - what with one thing and another i've hardly been able to go on the CB at all these days. I'm still interested, though! As soon as I can, I'll be replying -and meanwhile Amethyst is filling me in on the conversation :)

submitted by Poinsettia, a sea of crystal waters
(October 18, 2023 - 1:12 pm)

Yess!! Like, I feel like I always have to act different from the stereotype, just to prove I can act different from the stereotype!! 

submitted by CelineBurning Bright, Actually,I<3pinkANDblue
(October 18, 2023 - 3:18 pm)

Poinsettia, that's okay! You can re-join as soon as things get less busy for you :)

 

These CAPTCHAS are killing me! I think I need to go to bed. 

submitted by Flamarestii, tired
(October 19, 2023 - 10:19 pm)

I'm not Latino, but I do have roots in Spain that are traceable back to 1492. I wonder if that counts?????

Either way, Happy Hispanic Heritage Month! 

submitted by Sinusoidal Polyglot
(October 19, 2023 - 1:51 pm)