Gardening and Tea

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Gardening and Tea

Gardening and Tea Thread

This is a thread about gardening and tea. Though these things go together for me (I grow a lot of the herbs and flowers I use for herbal tea) they don't have to for you.

So post gardening advice, updates on what's happening, and plants you want to grow. or post about your favorite teas or blend recipes advice on steeping them. anything you want really!  

I'll start: look into growing plants native to your area! Even if you have never grown anything before, there's probably a low maintnence plant that can give food and shelter to local pollinators and animals. Most famous plants are non-native, and while they're a good start, native pollinators won't always be able to use them. Native pollinators are really important.

also, whether you garden or not, look into composting! food waste is a huge producer of methane, which is more potent than carbon dioxide, when it's in landfills. But in a compost pile, there's enough oxygen so it doesn't. and even if you don't garden yourself, if you know anyone who gardens, they'll almost certainly be glad to take your compost. and you could always get a pot and put something in it... 

@pangolin, i'll post your response when this goes up. 

@all, enjoy! 

submitted by Blackfooted Bobcat, age a broom, and a shawl, ~Cinderella~
(April 13, 2024 - 11:30 am)

I'm not sure what you're asking about tea/tea leaves. Can you rephrase it? i'll try to answer then.

And sure, boba tea counts. I quite like boba tea, and a lot of the milk teas have tea in them. For instance, most brown sugar boba would have black tea (I usually add some oolong too). 

submitted by Bobcat@Cloud Bunny, age it's Odile, DON'T TRUST HER *sobs*
(April 19, 2024 - 3:15 pm)
submitted by Poinsettia, top
(April 30, 2024 - 10:58 am)

So since this is officially a boba tea thread too now - I'm drinking a brown sugar black tea with almond milk and a bit of oat milk. (It's kind of late for it... but my mom let me because she said i could have one today after my dad picked up some more boba from our (pretty nice, but relatively small and mostly has more stuff for what I believe is like Chinese and Vietnamese and other more mainland Asia things (idk if that's how you put it) and not as much Japanese stuff (which is fair because there's not a ton of Japanese people where I live until you go an hour out. this is a tangent oops) Asian store) It's pretty good. The blend of teas is a bit iffy, but overall good. It's mostly what I believe is english breakfast and assam, with a little bit of darjeeling (we just randomly had a big box in the cabinet. not a fancy kind but still that's supposed to be fancy and I think it adds a nice flavor and i'm not allowed to get any more teas heh) But I added an extra bag of english breakfast because i had used a bit too much water and so it's a bit bitter, but pretty good actually. Also if you're making a boba tea - it's usually good to steep some of the tea in milk and add it with the water :D You could probably do all milk but we can't buy that much dairy free milk heh.

The actual reason making the post - since i've been to several actual boba places and outside of the one in Hawai'i they all undercook their boba. Even to a lesser degree the one at the three-hour away giant city big Japanese market *sobs* it's sad. boba is kind of a big-ish "trendy" thing in the US right now I think (trendy in quotes because it was invented in Taiwan in like 1980s so it's newer but still not just a trend) which is annoying though. like it's far from the worst thing in the world it's just. you know. anime fans (and K-pop fans. the specific kind that's really weird about Japan/Korea, though I recently learned that K-Pop is also kind of a bad thing by itself because of the way the people are treated, thanks Silver!) but that's a whole other rant and really it doesn't even matter much as far as mildly annoying anime fan things (although trust me, the anime fans i'm talking about get far far worse than mild annoyance)

And @Poinsettia, I am working on a response! Short answer is that yeah, I'm from Hawai'i and even though I'm Japanese my dad's side has been there for like 5-ish generations??? (i don't know if we even know honestly, there's a lot like that we don't know). though i live in the midwest now which is a long story involving jobs and such and my dad retiring from the military and probably other things ToT. i think you might find this interesting though: apparently at some point boba was so popular in Japan that they made the word tapioca into a verb so you can say "i'm going to go have boba" XD  

submitted by Blackfooted Bobcat, age preparing, for the ball, Cinderella
(April 30, 2024 - 6:10 pm)

i love boba tea. i'm taiwanese and I'm sure I don't speak for all taiwanese (just me, probably) but in a way I kind of like how boba is trendy because it gets people to know Taiwan more, where before it was more unknown

anyways, i've actually never tried making boba before. is it hard? 

submitted by Moon Wolf, age lunars, A Celestial Sky
(May 1, 2024 - 12:28 am)

I can understand that. I don't think there's as much of like Taiwanese stereotypes and such that affect more American or Western culture if I'm correct (i could be wrong), so i can see why it's nice for it to be known. But while it’s not nice to be unknown, it’s also not nice to be known because then there are those specific things and people use it against you. i guess it's probably just because a lot of white people (not all white people but generally) like to play with certain parts of Japanese culture like it's some exotic toy and then discard everything they don't like and be like "it's weird and i don't get it and it's bad" (and they usually only like ones that are more westernized. like a lot of sushi in America is not actually much like sushi is in Japan. I like california rolls and stuff though XD) and like even if it's not overt, I've seen threads on social media that are like "sushi is kind of gross, you should make it better by doing things that are just not sushi at all" which is just... odd. that sort of thing but it gets way way worse even before it gets into really overt stuff but we won’t get into that. i guess what i'm saying is that maybe it's kind of different, since I think people tend to know more about Japan than Taiwan for some reason. i also wonder if it depends on the restaurant; a lot of boba places I've seen are kind of seperated from anything Asian, except for maybe a fake-Asian name. but maybe one run by an Asian person would have more connection to the culture they're from. just a few thoughts

Boba is pretty easy to make. i'd say the main thing is to choose good quality ingredients and make sure you steep the tea well. If you want a standard black tea and brown sugar tea, I mentioned the mix I used above. I'd go with nice quality English Breakfast and Assam in particular if you can; it probably doesn't matter as much with the darjeeling because a.) that gets really expensive i think and b.) a lot of the flavors you'd get are probably masked more by the milk. Definitely steep some of the tea in milk. maybe steep for 5 minutes? I find 4 minutes better since it gets less bitter, and 4 might be all you need if you steep in milk too. If you can chill it overnight; if not you can put it in a bowl of ice water. make sure you know how to cook the boba you choose. it will probably take a long time but it will be better if you make sure it's cooked all the way and doesn't have uncooked bits in the middle. don't hesitate to go longer if it's uncooked! for the brown sugar syrup, i mostly use 1-2 tablespoons of brown sugar, maybe 3 tbsp of water, and 1 tablespoon of molasses (brown sugar is just molasses and sugar). if you can use dairy milk, a bit of heavy cream or half and half would probably be good along with milk. (Dairy free something thicker like nice oatmilk is nice (note i think oatmilk varies a lot) but the flavor of almondmilk goes well, so both is good.) you can also make a strawberry simple syrup and blend it with some strawberries and all milk (you can also steep some jasmine green tea in the milk (I usually do 190 f for 1 minute, but your jasmine tea might be different) which is super good). I usually add a bit of vanilla but you might not need that if you’re using dairy milk and if you’re doing it w/ jasmine tea it’ll mask the flavors a bit. I made a lychee tea once but i don’t remember how I did it. 

Oh, and you can also make a strongish green tea, chill it, and add a strawberry syrup. Oh and since that’s better less-sweet, you actually don’t have to use equal parts of sugar/water. You can probably just use a standard simple syrup recipe and reduce the sugar by half or probably even more (though at that point you might want to reduce the water a bit). you can do that with other fruits - i did a pineapple one and it was very good.

definitely find an actual recipe to at least use as a base though! But really the brown sugar tea is just milk, tea, and brown sugar syrup.  

submitted by Bobcat@Moon Wolf, age Spring, Fairy, ~Cinderella~
(May 6, 2024 - 4:36 pm)

I have a few questions:

1. how do I make milkweed grow everywhere? I want to make my yard a butterfly/bee paradise, but there's like one scraggly milkweed plant that always falls over the sidewalk and gets stepped on by accident, year after year and refuses to do anything.

2. what are some good native flowers that pollinators love? preferably sturdy ones that spread and don't die randomly.

3. moss. I love moss. I need more of it, how do I get my hands on moss and make it grow in my yard.

4. if I put catnip everywhere will the cats in my neighborhood eat all of it or just kind of sit around and lick it? my dream is to wake up one morning, look outside, and find like 10 cats hanging out together.

submitted by Darkvine
(May 3, 2024 - 1:20 pm)

about the milkweed - my mother sprinkled milkweed seeds from a neighbor's garden all over the backyard, and they sprouted and grew and had their own seeds, and now we're overloaded with milkweed. maybe the conditions in your garden aren't right? mine are in a place where they get sun, but are in shadow in the afternoons, and it's a cooler area of the garden. you could try getting some healthy seeds and just sprinkling them around in a part of the garden that looks suitable. i think autumn is the best time to do that, because that's when milkweed pods usually open and the seeds get naturally sprinkled.

submitted by Poinsettia
(May 4, 2024 - 7:16 pm)

I love flowers and would love to start a garden of my own, but I don't quite know where to start. I know exactly what kind of garden I'd want to grow and what kind of flowers I'd put together and things like this but we have groundhogs and deer that eat all of the plants in our yard >:[ my parents have some nice plants in the yard though including our beautiful new magnolia treees which we all love! I'd just love to contribute to our yard by growing some of my own plants for it…

And I love tea! I write this as I wait for mine to finish steeping. I put in a peppermint teabag and a chamomile one, so let's see how that goes :D I'd love to grow my own tea leaves but that's another thing I do not know how to do ahaha

I suggest you look at flowers that do well in gardens in your area. They will likely be the easiest to grow.

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submitted by Periwinkle, age 14, Somewhere in the stars
(May 10, 2024 - 7:37 pm)

Okay thanks Admin!

submitted by Periwinkle, age 14, Somewhere in the stars
(May 10, 2024 - 8:03 pm)

peppermint is basically impossible to kill! most herbs are pretty easy. will more later only also look into native plants for where you live, since you won't have to do much with watering and stuff and they're adapted to the conditions where you live. plus they provide food and shelter for local animals and pollinators and such. also look into deer-resistant plants! also fences exist and are amazing

submitted by Blackfooted Bobcat
(May 11, 2024 - 7:05 pm)

definitely grow your own tea leaves! If you use a lot of peppermint, that's really easy to grow and can be around all year long. I don't think you can get peppermint from seed, so make sure it's a live plant; if it's a seed or labeled just "mint" it's probably spearmint (which is still a good tea, but different). i think you can find herbs at the grocery store sometimes. ummm for any mint make sure it stays moist. Moist doesn't mean "super wet" just moist. and it's best to water deeply less often since then the roots have to grow deeper.

also you can make a really strong green tea (like 3 teabags overnight), dilute it in one or two large watering cans, and water your plants with it. I've had really good success with that for catnip, which is in the mint family, and at the very least it doesn't hurt (as long as it's diluted).

watch for small spots or holes in the leaves for pests, which can usually be dealt with by soapy water for inside plants (but make sure you're not killing beneficial insects like wasps or lacewings, which eat pests!) 

also ideally get potting mix if it's in a pot, not soil for raised beds. Potting mix is specifically designed to work well in a pot, so not compact and drain well. You can also put small rocks at the bottom of a pot to make it drain better. But that's not very necessary for mint. it's probably not a bad idea to plant some outside and some inside - mint flowers are probably good for pollinators. You could even get one plant and propogate from a cutting if you wanted, but cuttings don't always work.

oh and also try to find a place where the air is slightly less stagnant if possible if the plant is inside. that helps a ton of things.  

submitted by Blackfooted Bobcat
(May 15, 2024 - 8:18 pm)

finally here lol

I'm sure boba is super trendy, but I have to say that I didn't even know what it was... I had to look it up. (Apparently it's made with milk and tapioca pearls? But if it's made with milk, does it count as tea? A Philosophical Question.) I'm kind of out of the loop as regards most trendier Asian things, like anime and K-pop. I did try listening to some K-pop, just to see what it was all about, and I didn't like it that much. I mean, I suppose I like it better than rap or hip-hop. But it's just kind of colorless (at least for me). Also the performances and performers seemed kind of unnatural for my taste. Maybe it's just because I was brought up on Paco Padilla and Mana and stuff, but it's really not my thing. (But no offense to those who like K-pop! Also I only listened to a few songs, so maybe I'm not qualified to judge)

Speaking of K-pop though - we have K-pop, and we have J-pop, so why don't we have L-pop? (Latin pop) There are some Latin pop songs that I loveeee and that's saying a lot because I don't usually like pop at all unless it's from the 1960s or something. You'd think that Mexican/Brazilian/Spanish/etc music would be ultra-popular.  Like Joao Lucas and Marcelo should totally be the ~latest pop sensation~. Well, come to think of it, Carlos Baute is turning up in Houston for a tour, and Houston is in Texas, so maybe it is catching on more than I think.

Anyway, that was very off-topic, sorry :/

I had no idea that the Japanese had made "tapioca" into a verb! It's always so cool to see how languages can morph~

I've been doing some more work in the garden. The mint is continuing to attempt to conquer the grass and I have to pull it up :/ But we have a bunch of mint that's stayed in its proper section of the garden, and it's suddenly smelling so good. I think mint smells best in spring :) And we got our first strawberry fruit! One corner of the garden is filled with strawberry plants, and they're really happy this year. There are a lot more fruits coming, I hope we can pick them before the chipmunks get them.

I'm kind of discouraged about my apple tree seedlings, though (did I mention them already?) I transplanted them to pots and put them outside, and then a chipmunk literally ruined them and dug in the soil and only one was left - and then for some reason it went all sad and wilted. I've got some more seeds, though, so maybe those can sprout and grow. I really want an apple treeee-

submitted by Poinsettia
(May 18, 2024 - 12:01 pm)

I'm so excited for this summer because we have a grapevine and my family's horrible at eating fruits so the whole last summer we let them go to waste (my friend came over and ate one of the vine though (she's like that ;) ) and said it was superrr good!!) and so this summer hopefully we don't forget again!!

submitted by CelineBurning Bright, grapes~
(May 18, 2024 - 5:22 pm)

only part reply though it got long but - a lot of boba teas do have tea in them. Like brown sugar milk tea is made with black tea. some don't have tea, but most do so it's a general name :D 

and frankly i'm glad you're out of the loop with k-pop and anime, the fanbase can be really gross... also apparently the actual k-pop industry is really unhealthy for the k-pop stars, so that's not good either. so honestly i wouldn't really recomend getting into it. especially because a lot of it is not really a good insight into Japanese culture... like a lot of it is either kind of made for a white audience or made for an audience that has certain cultural things that might not make the same sense to a non-Japanese audience. but yeah what i'm saying is that i wouldn't reccomend you get into it. it's just kind of... the fanbase can get very bad very quick. 

and yeah, i don't know why Japanese and Korean things are trendy... maybe because so much of it is whitewashed in a way. and like i have never seen an East Asian character in any kind of media who has skin as dark as anyone in my family's honestly. and western media very much favors people who have whiter features and very pale, very clear skin. and in basically most of Asia (like I think this is a big issue in India and the Philipines are other places i've heard of it being a big issue) skin whitening is a big thing which is uhhh not good especially because it's bad health-wise. anyway people like... they like kawaii onigiri but how would they feel about a sea urchin egg onigiri? (my dad hates it so i'm scared of it so i don't know if it's good XD but) or like natto. granted natto does look kind of disgusting but i mean that's not really an excuse to be a jerk. and i hate it because they choose like - they like pretty sando (sandwiches) or boba tea all this stuff, but then they either see Asians as like "exotic anime person" or "weird'. idk it's just very weird. i don't honestly know if i look Asian or not because I'm mixed race w/ white, but i must have at least when i was younger idk. or i just very much acted Asian. or both. anyway what i'm trying to say is that it's very much "pick and choose". 

anyway that was a lot to say that it's not really a good thing... but if i have the time i'll look into those musicians! if you want to give more recs i'd be interested but no pressure. also i'm working on describing Hawai'i - it's hard to condense into a post heh. you might find it interesting that most of the time people (even schools and such) don't have air conditioning and just leave a window open. there's usually a decent breeze.

the biggest strawberry got eaten by a slug *sobs* where are the toads when you need them

could you put a fence or something around the apple tree? fences are our best defense because we have a lot of wildlife, which is mostly intentional. it'd be really cool to have a fruit tree!

submitted by Blackfooted Bobcat
(May 19, 2024 - 2:53 pm)

in my religion we dont drink tea or coffee, but i LOVE herbal tea, and my favorite is eaither passion or lemon ginger. im growing some catnip and catgrass and i find it soothing to sing to them:

Grow grow catnip grow

Big and strong

Grow grow catnip grow

Tall and proud

You can do it if you try

Reach your (petals?? leaves?? ) to the sky

please dont laugh this song was arbitrary and i wanted to give my plants some support.

submitted by teacuplynx
(May 19, 2024 - 4:33 pm)