Oh no.I feel

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Oh no.I feel

Oh no.

I feel deeply traumatized.

*does some healing breathing exercises* The Jonas Brothers did a remix of Poor Unfortunate Souls.

I know we're not supposed to talk about them, but... ouch. Ouch. All I was doing was searching Poor Unfortunate Souls on YouTube to see if I can find the Faith Prince or Heidi Blickenstaff version, out of interest. And what's the first video that comes up? "Jonas Brothers - Poor Unfortunate Souls." I'm like, *gulp*. And I clicked it. And it was even worse than I'd imagined it. I mean it was *scary*. They *killed* it. This sort of thing should be outlawed.

And, er, the music video? I don't believe I exactly got the point there...

But I'm more or less okay now after employing therapy consisting of listening to the *real* full-length OBCR PUS, complete with audience laughing/applause after the best SRS parts, and also the nice "Your vibrato, your legato, even your belt..." string of inter-song dialogue.

My rant is complete now, sorry for creating a whole thread to whine...

submitted by Mary W., age 11.91, NJ
(December 5, 2009 - 7:55 pm)

I KNOW! A few months ago I bought the special edition OST CD from iTunes and that was one of the bonus tracks, and then out of morbid curiosity I looked up the music video and basically went WTH?

They changed all the lyrics that had any reference to gender or magic, and expected it to make sense (it didn't, see? "And I fortunately know a little secret/It's a talent that I always have possessed". Hey, guys, *whispers* knowing a secret isn't a talent, and you can't always know a secret, you have to be told. And if you're referencing secrets, the rest of the song should involve secrets in some way, not "helping" (read: manipulating) people...

And the music video had nothing to do with the song, especially not what the song was originally about. For those who can't remember, Poor Unfortunate Souls is a Villain Song in which the Big Bad manipulates the naive protagonist into signing over both her voice and her soul in exchange for a three day stint as a human. For those who haven't seen it, the JB music video abomination of the song involved a pool where no one was swimming until the boys started jumping in about halfway through. There was a sign that said, for no apparent reason, no shouting no running no fun or something to that effect.

On the other hand, to quote wikipedia, "This version is also viewed by the wider Disney community to be far inferior to the original Pat Carroll opus." Take that.

Sorry. Rant over. *also listens to SRS*

Ursula: I'm not asking for much. Only... your voice.

Ariel: My voice?!

Ursula: Don't worry! I've the perfect place for it! [approaches magic shell in classic evil person mode] When your grandpappy Poseidon was on his death bed, he gave his magic trident to your father. But this was his parting gift to moi-

Ariel: ...Your magic shell...

Ursula: [caught off guard] ...You've heard about it? [clearly thinking: Crap.]

Ariel: Father says it's the source of all your witchcraft!

Ursula: Nonsense darling-

Ariel: He says you'd die without it!

Ursula: DIE? Oh please. It's a... bauble. A vessel. For your voice. Trust me, darling, your vibrato, your legato... Even your belt.... they'll all be safe inside. 

Random side note: I love the way the music stops right as she says "trust me", so you know she's about to say something funny.

(for those who don't know, a "belt", aside from being something to hold up your pants with, is broadly when one sings high notes using chest tones rather than head tones. It's... difficult to describe what it sounds like, the best I can think of is yell-singing, but when you hear someone belting you know they're belting. Anyway, the "even your belt" line is a pun)

(SRS, incidentally, has a really, really good belt. She does it a bit as Ursula and *a lot* as Cathy (The Last 5 Years). Notably in Climbing Uphill, "belting as high as they can..." and briefly in See I'm Smiling, "that you can't spend a single day..." and "isn't he wonderful just twenty eight, the saviour of writing...". She also has a very nice head tone, which she uses to extremely sad effect in Still Hurting and most of See I'm Smiling, and more comic effect in Summer in Ohio. She also (as I've mentioned) has an incredible vibrato which can be almost painfully sad, as in I Know the Truth, Still Hurting, and See I'm Smiling. /fangirling)

Another random side note: I love Poor Unfortunate Souls (reprise). It's probably my favourite song in the play (Poor Unfortunate Souls, IWtGTB, IWtGTB(r), and Her Voice (reprise) all tie in for second (yes, even though HV(r) was removed after the pretrials), with Sweet Child (reprise) in second and Part of Your World (reprise) and If Only (quartet) in third). The intro (with her mocking and manipulating her brother) is hilarious and the actual song is amazing, especially the last note. With that vibrato! The last note of IWtGTB(r) is also incredible (and it has those awesome descending scales, too, squee!)

And now you poor unfortunate soul

Time's up! You're through!

Now the power of Poseidon has been once again made whole

All the magic of the trident and the shell in my control

And now dark shall reign forever over ocean, sea, and shoal,

Now see for yourself how banishment feels!

You poor unfortunate sooooooul!

(Yet another) random side note: Am I the only one who thinks SRS still looks pretty, despite the creepy makeup? 

submitted by TNÖ, age 16, Deep Space
(December 6, 2009 - 1:11 am)

THANK you. The secret line made no sense in context with the rest of the song, and neither did the video, which, again, was just... I did not understand it, it had nothing to do with the song. Was the no running no yelling no fun thingy supposed to be an attempt at humour, maybe? They keep zooming in on it. Fail. Then they started going up and screaming in people's ears, which would personally freak me out, and then people started throwing their shirts in the pool. What? I hate the JB even more.

And no, yell-singing would be Nick Jonas, not SRS. ;)

Also, on a random side note of my own, I listened to almost all of the TL5Y songs, and some of the Aida songs, and I think that your taste in music is slightly addictive.

I think my favourite song in the play would be IWtGTB, followed by PUS(r) and then IWtTB(r) and PUS tied. And then If Only, and the finale, and Sweet Child and its reprise... *rambles*

Yes, I agree, even with the crazy wig and the decidedly creepy makeup, SRS still does look pretty.

submitted by Mary W., age 11.92, NJ
(December 7, 2009 - 12:23 pm)

Well, yell-singing in that it is more... noticeable and tends to be louder than regular singing. It's a very distinct sound.

Like, (assuming you've listened to Climbing Uphill) you know the bit where she goes "belting as high as they can" and her voice sounds way different on "high" when she starts to belt... That sort of thing? It's, as I mentioned, hard to describe.

Though, the term I'd use for the JB would be screaming more than yelling. Yelling doesn't sound as painful.

My entire iTunes library is comprised of three groups: Ear Worms, Instrumentals (which sometimes fall under the first category as well), and Within Temptation. Heh.

 

submitted by TNÖ, age 16, Deep Space
(December 7, 2009 - 6:45 pm)

Okay touchy subject but I'm going to comment on it any way.

I, for one, think that did it awsomely!  I think that it's much better than the original one.  Please don't call me names.

submitted by Charlotte, age 11, Colorado
(December 8, 2009 - 11:22 am)

No name calling, I promise.

I do, however, plan to debate the point (namely, that the JB cover is superior to Pat Carroll or SRS or Faith Prince or even Heidi Blickenstaff or- *pied*)

((No! Wait! "Dying is easy, dying is easy/You simply fall asleep/And let them plant you in the yard/I tell you dying is easy/It's comedy that's hard!" Hem.))

Now. In my opinion, the ranking of professional singers who I have heard sing Souls goes like this:

1. Sherie Rene Scott

2. Pat Carroll

3. Faith Prince

4. Heidi Blickenstaff

5. Jonas Brothers

Mainly my reasoning for disliking the JB cover (intensely) is that (a) they CHANGED THE LYRICS and (b) I maintain they aren't very good singers anyway.

Now. Assuming most people on here haven't listened to SRS, FP, or HB, I'll be using the original Pat Carroll version as reference here.

The first way in which I feel the original version of Souls is superior to the JB cover, well, quite frankly, Pat Carroll manages to ham it way up while still being believable, scary (I was terrified of Ursula alone of all Disney villains), and generally without narm. At all. Narm, for those who don't know, is a moment meant to be serious, intense, or frightening that just comes off... silly. Anyway, I think we can all agree that the original scene in the animated movie is distinctly unfunny. In fact it's got a rather large amount of Nightmare Fuel (i.e., the polyps in the entrance, the hands that Ursula conjures to steal Ariel's voice...). Aside from that it is, of course, a well-written Villain Song with interesting lyrics and a vaguely disturbing yet still awesome context. It helps that it's a complete Con Man (Cecaelia?) song, et cetera. The content of the song fits nicely into the story and makes perfect sense in relation to the scene.

However, the Jonas Brothers cover... First of all they changed several lyrics, some of which made sense (i.e, replacing "woman" with "person", because obviously none of them are female), while others, ah, didn't (i.e, "know a little secret/It's a talent that I always have possessed", see previous arguments). Which was annoying, though they seem to have a habit of doing that so I suppose we must move on. Second, they sped it WAY up, almost halving the song length. And unfortunately for them, Souls is the sort of song that sounds better the slower it's played (though not too slow); see the theatrical version of the song which was a wee bit slower than the original song, to excellent effect. Speeding it up, however, messes with my ear (dunno about anyone else), and is generally distracting. Thirdly, I have a major WTH issue with the percussion in the JB cover; to me it seems sort of repetitive yet scattered (as compared to the vaguely march-like percussion in the theatrical version, for example). Fourthly, and this is my main problem with the cover, the music video had absolutely NOTHING to do with the song. 

You see, the music video taken separately from the song itself appears to be centered around a boring swimming pool where you aren't allowed to swim but everyone's there anyway for some reason. Then the JB show up, lead the people in a mass rebellion against the stupid pool rules and everyone is happy hooray. Except the lifeguard, who probably got fired.

All very well and good, until one adds in the lyrics. Obviously, of course, there's the issue of the music video apparently portraying the JB as "heroes" or some such, while the song it's set to is a villain song centered mainly on manipulation and taking advantage of people. There is a clear disconnect here. Below that, there is the matter of this "secret" (as opposed to "magic") that they mention in the first verse; their knowledge of said secret has nothing to do with the apparent plot of the video, unless the "secret" is knowing that people are a bunch of sheep (but that's not a secret). Their secret doesn't let them help (or "help") the bored people (who are pretty dumb anyway, sitting around a pool where they're not allowed to swim), as opposed to the "magic" in the original version which is the basis on which Ursula forms her entire contract with Ariel (she can do magic, therefore she can help ("help") Ariel get her prince). The same issue goes with the whole "in the past I've been a nasty" thing. Again, what does this have to do with anything in the video? Whereas in the original this is Ursula reassuring Ariel that she isn't evil anymore (she LIES).

Furthermore, later on in the song they have the verse, "the men up there don't like a lot of blabber/they think a girl who gossips is a bore/Yes on land it's much preferred/For ladies not to say a word/And after all dear what is idle prattle for?/they're not all that impressed with conversation/true gentlemen avoid it when they can/but they dote and swoon and fawn/on a lady who's withdrawn/It's she who holds her tongue who gets her man" This has quite literally NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the video; they're not talking about not being able to talk, they're talking about not being able to swim, and they're on land so they've got no reason to be talking about how things are "on land". And finally they're definitely not talking about helping someone "get her man"; they're talking about letting people swim. Of course, then comes the line, "it won't cost much/just your voice", which doesn't make any sense in the context of the video.

And so on. 

submitted by TNÖ, age 16, Deep Space
(December 8, 2009 - 8:48 pm)

Okay, no names!  But I have to agree with TNO and others.  I really thought it stunk!

submitted by Kirsten
(December 29, 2009 - 8:45 am)

I shall look it up.  *looks it up*  *listens*  *eye twitch*  AAAHHHHH!!!!!  What was that about?  Do they even understand what they are siging?  In what way does screaming in peoples ears relate with Poor Unfortunate Souls?  *thinks*  Nothing I can think of.  And most people allready know my opinion on their voices.  So, I should hit submit before I start  hurting peoples feelings with my opinions.

Goodbye,

~Meadow de Weirdo 

submitted by Meadow
(December 8, 2009 - 12:56 pm)

@ TNO (umlaut): Yes, the bit in Climbing Uphill (which I just listened to today for the first time it's very good). And yes again, screaming more than yelling.

Ear Worms? Within Temptation? ...should I know what those terms mean...?  Instrumental is no singing, just instruments, right?

@ Charlotte: Have you ever heard the original? Not the Pat Carroll Disney one (though that's great too: "Come in dear, we mustn't lurk in doorways, it's rude..."), but the original Broadway version by Sherie Rene Scott? Look it up on YouTube, it's brilliant.

@ Meadow: Maybe the idea was that the people being screamed at were poor and unfortunate souls? ;)

Jk...

submitted by Mary W., age 11.92, NJ
(December 8, 2009 - 6:47 pm)

Ear Worms are songs that get stuck in your head... Like Springtime For Hitler, My Strongest Suit, Climbing Uphill, I Can Do Better Than That, I Want the Good Times Back, Poor Unfortunate Souls (especially the way SRS sings it), Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious, the Dr. Horrible songs, anything Danny Elfman writes... 

Within Temptation is a band. I suppose as far as bands go I also have Nightwish and Oingo Boingo and... *checks* that's it that I listen to with any frequency; I also have AFI and Evanescence and Coheed and Cambria, but the play counts for them are *tiny*.

Instrumentals are, yes, songs with instruments only. Mostly these are movie soundtracks, like the Pirates of the Caribbean, or Harry Potter or Firefly (the show) or the G.I. Joe soundtrack... I also have the score from New Moon because it's pretty well done, even if it does mean having something from the Twilight series on my iPod. Good music trumps bad series, IMHO. /rambling. 

submitted by TNÖ, age 16, Deep Space
(December 9, 2009 - 12:48 am)

Oh my gosh, the video was horrible! It sounded like they were dying (and in a way, the song was). But I guess it was better than them dressing up like mermaids or a sea-witch. No one would enjoy that but Kevin... *shivers at picture that just came to mind...*

submitted by Katie, age 12, outside looking
(December 8, 2009 - 9:08 pm)

@ TNO (umlaut): About Ear Worms and suchlike... right. I get it now.

Another few changed lyrics in the music video was "Flotsam, Jetsam now I've got her boys" to "Nick and Kevin..." Grah. It just sounds unnatural. And who is "her"? For that matter, who is the "her" or the "she" that they're talking about the entire song? Does. not. make. sense.

And on a lesser note: "They weren't kidding when they called me, well, a witch" to "... called me kind of strange" and "made a switch" to "made a change" to make it rhyme. "...well, a witch..." was clever. "...kind of strange..." was just, well, kind of strange.

@ Katie: They have the hair, I s'pose...

submitted by Mary W., age 11.92, NJ
(December 9, 2009 - 4:38 pm)

Why oh why did you have to bring up JB?  I told Elizabeth about this thread and she went completely berserk!  It took me at least thirty minutes to calm her down.

Cheers

Charlotte, aka Cannibal

submitted by Charlotte, age 11, Colorado
(December 9, 2009 - 2:21 pm)

@ Charlotte: Consider it an LM thread.

submitted by Mary W.
(December 9, 2009 - 5:26 pm)

PATHETIC POOR UNFORTUNATE SOOOUUUUULLLLSSSSS!!!!

See? See? No JB here at all. *whistles innocently* 

;) 

submitted by TNÖ, age 16, Deep Space
(December 9, 2009 - 10:49 pm)

LM?

Cheers.

Charlotte, aka Cannibal

submitted by Charlotte, age 11, Colorado
(December 11, 2009 - 1:35 pm)