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Has anyone heard of the growth mindset? Of not being afraid of failure? Of wanting to TRY AGAIN after you fail?
No? Well, look it up. Growth mindset.
The Politics Thread was a failure. We all know this. It was unorganized, resulting in a lot of confusion and hurt feelings. It was a first attempt, and like many first attempts, it didn’t work.
However, as a person with a growth mindset, my natural instinct was to find the problem, learn from it, and FIX IT! And TRY AGAIN!
Please, may I ask, why not try after you fail? Why not get up after you trip?
When I tried to restart the Debate Thread, (and, BTW, we’re debating about Harry Potter, which isn’t offensive like the stuff about being “privileged” to get arrested for stuff white people aren’t even fined for *coughcoughcough*) I saw an OVERLOAD of the fixed mindset. I saw stuff like, “This is gonna fail, why bother”, “Oh, the last one failed, we can’t try again”, “If we never try, we’ll never fail!” Well, those are the simplified versions of them, anyway.
Let me just remind you of one inspirational song, by Shakira.
“Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
I messed up tonight, I lost another fight
I still mess up but I'll just start again
I keep falling down, I keep on hitting the ground
I always get up now to see what's next
Birds don't just fly, they fall down and get up
Nobody learns without getting it wrong
I won't give up, no I won't give in
'Til I reach the end and then I'll start again
No I won't leave, I wanna try everything
I wanna try even though I could fail
I won't give up, no I won't give in
'Til I reach the end and then I'll start again
No, I won't leave, I wanna try everything
I wanna try even though I could fail
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
Try everything
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
Try everything
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
Try everything
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
Look how far you've come, you filled your heart with love
Baby you've done enough, take a deep breath
Don't beat yourself up, don't need to run so fast
Sometimes we come last, but we did our best
I won't give up, no I won't give in
'Til I reach the end and then I'll start again
No I won't leave, I wanna try everything
I wanna try even though I could fail
I won't give up, no I won't give in
'Til I reach the end and then I'll start again
No I won't leave, I wanna try everything
I wanna try even though I could fail
I'll keep on making those new mistakes
I'll keep on making them every day
Those new mistakes
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
Try everything
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
Try everything
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
Try everything
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
Try everything…”
~❤️~
See? “I still mess up but I'll just START AGAIN”! “Birds don't just fly, they fall down AND GET UP! Nobody LEARNS without getting it wrong”!
Well, don’t give up. Don’t give in until you reach the end. Try, try everything, try even though you could fail.
Failure is not permanent.
I’ve analyzed the Politics Thread. I learned from our mistakes. In my head, I devised a way to make it work. I KNOW why the Politics Thread went wrong. And I KNOW how to succeed.
I just need to try.
As the saying goes, “If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again!”
A lot is at stake here, you know.
I think that if you give up, it proves you have a fixed mindset. It proves that you give up. It proves that your brain is stuck into a little box, and can’t grow because it’s too afraid of failure.
But if you persist, if you attempt again, I think it proves you have a GROWTH mindset. It proves that you persevere. It proves that your brain is free, and can stretch and grow because it’s not afraid of failing, or anything.
So why the fixed mindset?
I have used the word “try” the second most in this writing piece so far, the most being the word “the”. I did this on purpose. It is, by far, the most important, and I don’t want to use synonyms. No, I do not care about redundancy right now.
"So, I implore you, try." ~Judy Hopps
Try it again. Try debating again.
Made a mistake?
Birds, they don’t just fly, they fall down and get up. Remember Shakira’s words.
Try even though you could fail.
submitted by Mei-xue (May-shreh)
(July 13, 2016 - 7:34 pm)
(July 13, 2016 - 7:34 pm)
I did. I just don't understand why debating would be related to jumping off things.
Does your school have a Debate Club? Do their debates turn out a disaster?
(July 14, 2016 - 5:15 pm)
I appreciate this thread, because a lot of good input is coming on. I agree that this is a weird website, but weird is good, and in a way is another word for unique.
Though I don't think that there is an actual problem that we have, at least not a big one.
(July 14, 2016 - 4:45 pm)
Ok, tip for arguments: pick a side, stay with the side, then pick a mode of argument. Emotion, Ethics, or Logic. Let's do one: the Oxford Comma. My argument, from a logical standpoint:
The O.C. (Oxford comma) is a way of making lists in written works easier to understand. You position an OC in a list, like apples, peaches, pears, and cherries. The comma between 'pears' and 'and cherries' is optional, but without, in some cases, the list becomes confusing. Like my friend, a bully, and zombie, or my friend, a bully and zombie. In one case, there is a list. In another, two words describing your friend.
Does that help? BTW, I would love to debate the Oxford Coma.
At Cricket, we call it the serial comma and we use it.
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(July 14, 2016 - 5:27 pm)
Thank you! Someone knows what that is!
(July 14, 2016 - 7:16 pm)
Oh, thanks, by the way, for making us feel bad about how some of our brains work and saying that our mindset is inferior. People with growth mindsets aren't necessarily any better than people without.
(July 14, 2016 - 5:45 pm)
I have an idea! Let's debate about different mindstets! In an organized, logical way!
(July 14, 2016 - 7:39 pm)
They jumped off the bridge again and resulted in horrible injuries again. They had a growth mindset! Why aren't they succeding?
Because it was the same bridge, with the same people.
Um, that's not a growth mindset. . . A growth mindset is fixing the bridge, and the trying again.
(July 14, 2016 - 6:10 pm)
Mei, I'm not going to post on this thread anymore after this, but I think you are being rude.
"See, Gared has a growth mindset! Why don't you?"
We don't have fixed mindsets.
Politics Threads and Debate Threads aren't necessary for the CB to be fun, and as an "oldie" on the CB, I can tell you that they have NEVER ended well. I'm talking 15 or 18 threads, all ending on a sour note. If you make one, I don't care, just don't try to "guilt" me into joining by saying I'm "too scared to try".
(July 14, 2016 - 8:27 pm)
I hate to be pushy, but this is getting me curious. What is your plan? Maybe you could just give an example if something went wrong and what you would do?
As for the "jumping off a bridge," it's an analogy. It's supposed to be related to it by only 50%. But it's a powerful 50%. I think the point that Danie was trying to make is that you can try at things, but some things just don't work out, especially if they seem VERY dangerous and useless. It's different from minor dares, too. Who wants to "jump off a bridge" anyway?!
Oh, you think, it's over the internet, what's the danger there? Feelings, emotions, etc. Also, I noticed that you're considered of people, but you also need to think about the other people as well. Do other CBers like to hear us debate back and forth about small things? I don't think so. Yeah, you can "just ignore it," but it still leaves people's nerves on edge with worry. Or maybe it's not worry. I can't say for sure because I'm admittedly that type of person that can just ignore a debate thread (sorry).
A note about analogies, songs, etc. They have a message, but some aren't meant to be applied everywhere. Take other variables into consideration.
And yes, even though growth mindsets seem to be better, fixed can be good, too.
Btw, I actually didn't wanna make this because I didn't wanna keep rattling off speeches to ya. Sorry. No matter what it seems, we care about you. Anddddd I really want to see Zootopia!
Still, I'm curious to here your plan.
(July 14, 2016 - 7:48 pm)
Thank you! You explained my point of view well :)
Okay, Mei, I explained exactly what would happen if you fixed the bridge.
HAB, do you even know what the growth mindset is? It's not how the brain works.
You may not think of this as rude, Mei, but it is. I won't explain it, because I don't want to cause more trouble.
I know this will hurt some people's feelings, so please take that in mind.
(July 14, 2016 - 10:41 pm)
If that hurts people's feelings, then everything will.
People, I believe the growth mindset is not how the brain works!
(July 15, 2016 - 5:59 am)
I think that debating about Slytherin is even more civil than debating about mindsets, since there is way too much evidence about grit and the growth mindset...
HAB, do you even know what the growth mindset is? It's not how your brain works.
(July 14, 2016 - 8:30 pm)
Um, yes, actually, it is. It's the way you think and approach challenges and setbacks and criticism and things like that. That's how your MIND is SET. It's how you think. You're trying to tell me that doesn't have anything to do with the brain?
(July 15, 2016 - 5:49 am)
Mei, that was very rude. I have been tested by a professional scientist, and I have a growth mindset!
AGAIN: I think there is no need for a Politics/Debate Thread for the CB to be happy. I don't care if you make one, just don't try to make us feel guilty so that we join!
You'd think it was rude if someone said "Mei, do you even know what math skills are? You don't have them."
(July 15, 2016 - 6:36 am)
"It was a first attempt, and like many first attempts, it didn’t work."
It wasn't a first attempt. As an older CBer, I can tell you that this type of thread has been attempted up to 30 times and always failed.
There is a difference between a fixed mindset and realism.
(July 14, 2016 - 8:31 pm)