Debate thread! Okay,

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Debate thread! Okay,

Debate thread! Okay, I thought we could make two debate teams, and find some thing to, well, debate about. Please join in!

submitted by Will T.
(August 16, 2015 - 5:39 pm)

Okay. Revised version: Creationists vs. Evolutionists vs. Both. 

submitted by Somebody, age Who cares, Various places
(August 18, 2015 - 8:25 pm)

Hey, guys! I'm not really going to be joining this thread after a few bad experiences, but I would like to mention something about the theory of evolution. 

So it says that every animal basicly developed from each other. Hence, the Tree of Life. But, in discoveries of other scientists, we have discovered that fossil evidence and well-known theory contradict. According to Charles Darwin, it was easily possible that simple, single-celled organisms evolved over millions of years until they were mutated into millions of unique species and animals with different characteristics.

But, fossil evidence shows that there is a gap: if they evolved, why can the remains of simple organisms be found directly under the remains of immensely complicated, intricate creatures that have nothing in common?

There is no evidence whatsoever to back up evolution. 

In my  opinion, no offense meant to anyone, evolution is taught so that it can get God out of the picture.  

submitted by S.E.
(August 18, 2015 - 8:09 pm)

Technically, there is no proof for Creation, either. 

And here's my reason to be skeptical:

Where does it say that Creation happened?

The Bible.

Who wrote the Bible?

A prophet. (Mohammed I think, correct me if I'm wrong.) 

How do we know he wasn't making the whole thing up for attention? 

And that isn't even taking into account other religions.

What about the Greek and Roman gods?

What about the Egyptian gods?

What about the Aztec, Mayan, Buddhist, ancient Chinese gods, and so many more?

The Bible is another form of all this, saying that the other gods are false and that He is the One True God. Please don't be offended! I'm not saying I'm against any kind of faith! All I'm saying is that there are many different interpretations of divine beings, and that some of them contradict. What's to say that they aren't all fictious? 

Also, single-celled organisms can evolve from others. There are still single-celled organisms. So are there intricate and complex biological structures. So all life is related, but can share next to none of its DNA.  That's how you have both super-simple single-celled creatures (woo, say that three times fast) and beautiful and complex structures. 

 

The Bible was not written by one person. It is the compilation of the writings of many different people. And some of the stories were handed down as oral tradition for a long time before they were ever written down. As we all know, we respect the right of each person to believe what he or she chooses.

Admin

submitted by Somebody, age Who cares , Various places
(August 18, 2015 - 8:45 pm)

Oh, okay. Thanks Admin! 

Also, yes. Disclaimer: In no way is my post meant to say that you shouldn't be a Creationist or to offend Creationists. I'm just saying that perhaps the Bible is not very reliable, and that there are many forms of worship, some of which greatly contradict. 

I think you made your point very well and respectfully, Somebody. Thank you.

Admin

submitted by Somebody, age Who cares, Various places
(August 18, 2015 - 10:08 pm)

Hey, I guess I'll respond to this, too.

Okay, so, Mohamahd isn't excactly a Christian prophet. Actually, he isn't involved in the CHristian faith at all. The first five books of the Bible were written by Moses, and he wrote them during the forty-ish days he was up on Mt. Sinai talking with God.

There is a lot of proof that the Bible is true. It corrosponds with historical events and lots of other stuff. 

submitted by S.E.
(August 19, 2015 - 4:53 am)

Okay, I guess... is debate already started? Sounds like it. But I just want to put my point in as someone who's 1. Catholic (Christian but not Creationist) 2. believing in evolution as a scientific process and most importantly 3. not Evolutionist. Just so people know that that is a legit position that's out there. 

Creationists believe that 1. God created the world and life on it and 2. Things like the age of the Earth can be calculated using the Bible and genealogy.

Evolutionist believe that 1. All life arose through evolution and 2. All life including humans arose through completely random processes. 

I'm Catholic. Because Catholic religion is very organized with the pope and bishops, etc., we have something called the catechism, which is like a book telling how the Catholic faith should be learned. This is written by the popes and by the gatherings of bishops and basically is THE rule on the Catholic tradition (beliefs not directly in the Bible but used in Catholic life).

Catholicism (or Christianity in general, but I'm trying not to generalize about what I don't know) and science are not mutually exclusive. If you've learned about Gregor Mendel, the father of genetics, you'll know he was an Augustinian monk. He was Catholic and still made discoveries relating to how people come about (genetics). 

The catechism has a short section on evolution. Paraphrased, it says that Evolutionism (life = randomness) is a heresy. HOWEVER, Creationism is also wrong. The way Catholics believe is in the middle: As a scientific process that we can use to help figure out the world we live in, evolution is perfectly fine. Evolution does not explain how humans can believe and think and love and learn. The spirit of people, their hearts and minds (the metaphorical heart and mind, not anatomical), those can only be explained by belief. But evolution and science can help us understand the world and ourselves.

I'd just like to put this viewpoint as someone who is NEITHER Creationist or Evolutionist BUT religious and scientific. The world is not two-sided: there's always a third option. Sometimes being in the middle is the best thing to do. Sometimes you need to learn more about the issue. 

submitted by Air
(August 19, 2015 - 11:12 am)

Explain this:

That Bible was written by multiple people over long periods of time, but it still fits together. AMAZING!!! And here is the thing. So make up a story in your head and tell it to someone. If they decide to tell it to someone else chances are it will be different. That is exactly why there are other Gods! People tell stories and try to make them more interesting! Completely changing the original!

submitted by Katydid
(August 19, 2015 - 2:12 pm)

Well to be honest the debate isn't about Christianity or the Bible, it's just the particular beliefs of creation and evolution. The Bible, prophets, the Big Bang... none of that is supposed to be being debated here. 

However, Christians believe that God has inspired these people to write these books of the Bible in order to preach the faith.

I very strongly agree with Admin that everyone here should try to help respect people's rights to believe in their own religions. While some people may believe in a certain God or gods, some may be athiest, or some may be agnostic, telling anyone that his/her God/gods are a lie is just wrong. I get that this kind of debate is a tricky subject, but can we please stay civil and polite on this subject, just stating our ideas or beliefs instead of flat-out calling other people's beliefs lies? 

submitted by Air
(August 19, 2015 - 7:06 pm)

Soooooo...yes on the debate idea?

@Somebody, also there was a major archaeological discovery back in the 1900s somewhere, where scrolls where found in a cave in Israel by local shepherds. These scrolls (now known as the Dead Sea Scrolls) contained several books of the Bible such as Psalms, Lamentaions, as well as more. These scrolls were absolutely ancient, like before Christ's time if I'm not mistaken, and they had remained unchanged for that whole amount of time. Also, (I'm not trying to offend anybody, here, you guys are very intelligent and the Evolution model is very fascinating) one of the only alternatives is that we were created by an explosion out of nothing, that somehow, or complicated, life filled bodies and pretty much every other living and non living thing, was thrown together by random chance.  Now, like I said, even the big bang is a Christian-accepted possibility, but that's just as much a miracle as an intellegent creator is. But there's a scientific law that says life can only come from life, and that fits with creationism. 

submitted by Will T
(August 19, 2015 - 10:27 pm)

I stand corrected by Somebody. The big bang wasn't a random explosion. BUT, let me challenge you with this. Where did those atom-sized particles come from?

submitted by Will T
(August 19, 2015 - 10:33 pm)

Agreed, Air. We're all friends here, so please don't take offense to anyone's posts.  

submitted by ...
(August 19, 2015 - 10:37 pm)

I'm not sure if I want to take part in this debate, but I believe in Creation.

submitted by Rose bud
(August 20, 2015 - 7:43 am)

Okay, are we debating creationism vs evolutionism, or something else? Whatever y'all want is good.

submitted by Will T
(August 20, 2015 - 7:44 pm)

Yeah, it's kind of hard to tell what's being discussed. Religion vs. No religion? Big Bang vs. Creation? Evolution vs. Creation? Science vs. Church? Please stay on topic people!

submitted by Air
(August 21, 2015 - 12:27 pm)

l know! We should do writing vs. typeing. Then no one will get offended, or mad.

submitted by Shadow Dragon
(August 21, 2015 - 12:40 pm)