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On the "Global Warming is..." thread, I noticed people talking about God. That thread took a long time to load for me, so I am posting here.
People were saying that there is no evidence that God exists. Here are some questions:
1. Where did humans come from? Some of these ideas circulating *coughbigbangtheorycough* are just outlandish- something exploded and a whole race of humans was born? *skeptical snort*
2. Where did that ideas about religion come from? If God doesn't exist (which He does!) then where did these ideas come from? I believe that Jesus came down from Heaven to save the World from sin. And that is why He would save us from anything (@ people on GW thread). He loves us.
3. If we don't believe that there's something bigger than us, we really are in trouble. We start thinking that we are above everything else and all-powerful, and this isn't true. SOMEONE had to create everything in the universe, and if we don't at least acknowledge that then we have no hope.
I believe very firmly in God. I'm a Catholic and proud of it. People were saying that there's no proof that God exists. I disagree, with flying colors. There is so much proof from people everywhere that it's undeniable, in fact. I've prayed to God and He's pulled through in the most amazing ways. My friends agree with me; it's happened for them too, and many other people I know. We've all experienced miracles. I know I have.
Please post your opinions on God here. Summarizing my post: I very firmly believe.
submitted by Mary W., age 11, Bordentown, NJ
(March 21, 2009 - 1:27 pm)
(March 21, 2009 - 1:27 pm)
I don't think I want to get into a fight here, but I'm just going to say I believe deeply in God and that I am Catholic also. :D
P.S. Wy should Hitler be brought into this???
(May 1, 2009 - 12:11 pm)
I know everyone says he was Catholic, but do you know if he actually went to church or was just raised that way? Just because he said he was Catholic doesn't mean he wasn't an athiest. He could of just done it for political reasons.
(April 28, 2009 - 6:54 pm)
Hitler. Is. Not. Part. Of. This. Discussion.
(April 11, 2009 - 8:33 am)
I know, I was just clearing up a tiny mistake.
(April 19, 2009 - 12:14 pm)
Ok, I'm trying to refrain from screaming my head off here. *takes deep breath.* Believing. In. God. Does. Not. Mean. That. You're. Stuck. Up. It. Means. You. Have. The. Gift. Of. Faith. The. Greatest. Gift. Of. All.
(April 10, 2009 - 12:11 pm)
@Pirocks
Pirocks, I think it's incredibly judgemental of you to imply that all Christians are like Adolf Hitler (you know, killing a million Jews, trying to conquer the world). Firstly, the lunatic things Hitler did were to create what he thought of as "the perfect race." He thought you had to have a certain eye color, skin color, and a set of physical/mental capabilities. He even thought you had to have a certain head shape. The only reason that he preyed on Jews/Roma/Slavs/Gypsies was to have a scapegoat for the economic problems, and because they were not ideal for his "super race." Unless you think that all Christians believe that what he did was right, keep your nose out of stuff you don't understand. Also, open a Bible before making claims.God didn't transform a raven into a dove, Noah sent out a raven, which didn't come back, and then sent out a dove, which did come back. I'm not 'stuck-up,' I'm angry!
(April 28, 2009 - 4:54 pm)
Two questions:
1. Sorry, but I've never seen that thing about the dove and the raven... ?
2. HOW CAN YOU BRING UP HITLER? I mean come on! That guy was not an example of a good Christian by ANY standerds. Ok? Ok.
(April 28, 2009 - 7:30 pm)
I agree with #2.
(April 29, 2009 - 11:34 am)
The popular belief for the big bang theory these days is that before the bang, there was no matter at all, only some kind of energy field called a scalar field. Barely anyone is sure about exactly what a scalar field is. And that when the big bang sounded, matter came into existance from nothing. If people can believe that, it doesn't seem like they beleive it because it makes more sense than an all-powerful God!
(April 2, 2009 - 4:35 pm)
:D:D:D:D I may not be Catholic, but I sure agree with you!!!!! :D:D:D Way to go! :D
(March 21, 2009 - 7:12 pm)
I'm not going to post on this thread, because I could very easily offend someone, or get offended. Admin can't always know what's going to hit who and how. (if that made any sense)
So, sorry, to those of you who want me to comment. I refuse. I am not even going to read anything on here, because I don't want to be pulled back. When I hear something I disagree with, I (of course) am pulled to it, and have to say something.
I will say, however, that I don't know what I believe; it's all to big for my mind. :)
Good luck! May the kindest person win!
(March 21, 2009 - 10:47 pm)
So you're saying that God is causing global warming? Prey tell, why would God want all of those poor baby seals and the innocent polar bears to die?
(March 22, 2009 - 11:18 am)
They are? Hrmph.
(March 22, 2009 - 2:15 pm)
@ Lena and Pirocks: Okay, sorry, I worded number 3 incorrectly. What I meant was, you have to believe that SOMETHING is bigger than you and that humans are not the center of the universe. As someone... was it Maddy? I forget... said, it didn't just "happen." I'm not calling anybody conceited, or saying that atheists are, just saying that there must be a bigger force that's watching over us. Without some sort of faith in something, where would we be?
Mayr (love your name), you said that God is intentionally killing seals and polar bears. Sorry, not an animal rights activist, and I completely don't believe in global warming, etc., but I'll look at your general idea- "God lets bad things happen." Yes. I will tell you why I think.
1. Without bad, how do we appreciate the good?
2. Bad things lead to good things; I speak from experience.
3. Once again, through my experience, everything is a blessing in disguise.
4. We can, if we are wise, learn from our mistakes and do better next time.
5. Think about Job. All his misfortunes were a test of faith, and eventually he earned earthly happiness once more and then eternal glory with God in Heaven.
About Hitler: That's like saying, oh, I don't know... that, like, for instance, as Sam in The Homework Machine worded it, "Almost every known criminal... did homework as a child. How can we be sure that the homework didn't cause the criminal behavior?" Nice logic, and yes, I dislike homework awfully, too, but face it, homework and crime are almost completely unconnected and have nothing whatsoever to do with each other. Christianity and the Holocaust are about as contradictorial (is that even a word?) as they get, and therefore I believe we can conclude that one did not cause the other, nor have much effect on it.
Lena, you also said that I was trying to force my beliefs on other people and acting as though they were facts. I'm sorry- my faith is a fact. I've experienced things that are undeniably gifts from God and answers to my prayers, and while not everyone EXACTLY agrees with me on such topics, Catholicism is regarded by the rest of the world as a fact.
However, you misunderstood in that I was trying to "force" my beliefs on to everyone else. I wasn't. I was trying to voice my opinions in an educated way, and sometimes I think we all forget to back up our opinions with fact, and we've all been known to experience excessive punctuation attacks and go crazy with the caps lock key. Happens to everyone and you happened to take me a bit too seriously. I'm not trying to be some loony obscurantist. Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinions. I just happen to firmly believe that mine are the right ones. Though as you said, there is no right or wrong religions for the world. I don't disagree, but nor do I firmly agree.
((This post isn't too long, is it, Administrator?))
Well, I shortenend it a bit, Mary.
Admin
(March 22, 2009 - 3:03 pm)
Okay. First of all, I think soon I am going to have to leave this thread because, no matter what you say, religion is not based off facts. If this was a global warming thread, which it sort of is, I could say, 'Reports show that polar ice caps have been shrinking by a percentage of ____ a year.' And you could travel all the way to the polar ice caps and watch them shrink by that percentage a year if you didn't believe me. If the polar ice caps were shrinking, they'd be shrinking. Fact. And there's no way you can change that.
Religion is different. You can count up all the times God has come through for you, all the times He has helped you out, and while to you they may be fact, to the rest of the world they are only opinions. If you prayed to God to make someone sick well, and s/he got well, you could claim that it was God. But someone else could just as easily claim that it was good medicine. Just because the whole world is mostly Catholic doesn't mean that Catholocism is fact. (did I spell that right?) I'm not saying that one is right or wrong. I'm just saying that my OPINION is that religion is not FACT.
But we are all entitled to different opinions. I have told you mine. I respect yours. And I think that, from the lack of facts here, that this argument is going to end up going round and round. So good-bye for now.
(March 23, 2009 - 7:15 am)