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Chat Thread (Silver Crystal, Jaybells, and Blackfooted Bobcat) :DDDDDD

Eeee I'm so excitedddd :DDD I'll post more when this comes up ^_^ I already have some stuff written so hopefully I won't forget at least XD

Also if my location says "watching *a ballet*", I'm probably actually watching it because I'm constantly watching one XD I've been watching Swan Lake pretty much all day with my Jellycats :P 

submitted by Blackfooted Bobcat, age watching, Swan Lake!!! :D
(November 11, 2023 - 6:09 pm)

First of all, Merry Christmas guys!! I'm not sure how much of a big deal that is to you, but I'm sooo excited for the day to begin! I hope you guys have a great day :D

Ooh I have a best friend who used to go to ballet school! She did it for a longgg time, and I would go see her in the nutcracker often, but I suspect she really only did it because of her mom's high position at the ballet school and not because she really wanted to. She quit a few years ago, but her mom still works at the school and gave the opening remarks at the nutcracker a few days ago when I was over for a sleepover.

Have either of you seen the Percy Jackson show yet??? I saw it with aforementioned best friend and our little siblings. All four of us have been PJO kids since grade school and we prepared all kinds of blue candy, blue drinks, blue cookies, and blue macarons for the watch party! Plus all of our combined PJO themed pillows and blankets (which is quite a few). It was soo fun and I really liked the first two episodes although I think it's a little hard to judge a show based on it's pilot(s).

Honestly don't know how I have the attention to watch those long videos. I always have to be multitasking- like watching and writing, or doing homework, or making a collage or something, otherwise I get bored.

BB, please go into YA and MG. I pretty much only read adult fiction now, because I got so fed up with YA and realized that I could read actual good, inventive books that weren't trapped by the YA Formula, which plagues the whole industry. There are some exceptions, but mostly it just got frustrating when I would read a book and know exactly what was going to happen next because it was so predictable. Also, I feel like the whole genre of YA has been reinvented by TikTok and other social media not for the better- although I appreciate BookTok and other book centric social medias for making a lot of people interested in reading again and helping out bookstores in a big way, I just think the books they tend to focus on are... not very good. And I've read most of them, trust me. It just kind of annoys me, how all they're ever talking about is either ~aesthetics~ or that one unlikable, dark, antagonistic male love interest that's usually super toxic, too. Idk it just gets on my nerves sometimes ://

I do celebrate lunar new year! My family tends to call it Korean New Year, but tbh I think lunar new year sounds prettier. Me and my family all go up to the same relative's house in Jan and hang out there for the day. It's super fun, and we get a huge homecooked Korean meal from my dad's cousin. And money, too (although we have to do the whole bowing-for-the-envelopes thing which can get a little tedious). I really enjoy it :)

I also can't really stand boba- not just because it's so popular, but also because I think it just kind of tastes gross. But I'm not complaining because whenever I go with someone to a boba place they also usually have a banger mango smoothie too, which is my favorite.

Ok, signing of now! Hope you guys have a great Christmas <3333 

submitted by Silver Crystal, age Infinity, Milky Way
(December 25, 2023 - 8:18 am)

Ah, I'm the opposite, BB. I'm also pretty good at singing, and absolutely indulge in it all the time in private, but speaking or singing in public has always been horrible for me. The moment eyes turn to me/I get on stage I go quiet (silent, or not loud enough if I do manage to get anything out). On the other hand, I can dance/act/play an instrument perfectly well, almost as if there is no pressure at all. 

Ooh! Your reading seems interesting! (I have dyslexia and generally bad vision even with glasses so I usually prefer to listen rather than actually read, but I totally get just wanting to do so. When I was younger I would get stubborn and try to push through reading without taking the "easy way out" by asking someone to read to me. I also play around with playback speed a lot, adjusting from like 3× speed to 0.75-ish, usually on the faster end. It's actually kinda strange because I often miss/need spoken or written repetition to understand things that are said in-person, regardless of speed. Perhaps it's just the comfort that comes with the ability to seamlessly rewind.) To be fair, I can't 'watch' videos for more than a few minutes either, but I like to listen to them as I do other things.

I read just whatever looks interesting (skewing towards mystery/thriller, historical and fantasy stuff), but a fair amount does end up being YA-adjacent ig. Not particularly attached to that genre though; there seems to often be a lot of formulaic melodrama and romantic subplots, both of which tend to hold less appeal for me. Do go on if you have time about your contentions with this kind of stuff. I'm not terribly invested myself, but I'd love to hear someone passionate tear this apart lol. (Also I don't wanna be that one annoying queer, but I can't with these toxic, usually straight 'love interests' sometimes TAT Just no. I get really bothered, especially when it's a girl accepting a guy's trashy behaviour as 'love,' ugh.)

OMG I LOVE MOCHI-

If you love boba, just try to let yourself enjoy it, I'd say. It isn't my favourite (especially with the little pearls), but I can definitely tell its pretty popular. Same thing with what you read. I get it can make you feel a little silly, but I'd suggest not letting the public theatre dictate your decisions. Like what you like without fear of judgement, if you can (i do know how hard it can be, but still). (Off-topic, but I totally get not wanting to do something, mainly because it's popular lol; whether it's using keeping up with celebrities or 'dabbing' or using a fidget spinner or playing Fortnite, I've stayed away from all of that for the same reason. Idk, maybe this is why I'm so awkward tho'. I just don't want to be stripped of identity by letting myself succumb to the whims of pop culture ig).

Ooh, I have Hanukkah, which is also a lunar-calendar practice, and for Mandarin class we do a Chinese New Year celebration (last year, we performed a song in front of a whole assembly! I was the drummer lol, but i technically sang too). Sorry if I'm, like, inserting myself into your conversation :/

OH YEAH AND ABOUT BALLET: So yes, I've been in and seen, like, at least 15 productions, just for ballet (we had to take supplemental classes for tap, jazz, modern, etc. if we wanted to persue ballet past a certain point, which all had their own performances). I've been in the Nutcracker several times (we used to do it every winter); as a mouse, a soldier, a polichenelle, a Spanish dancer, a snow-fairy, a snow-angel-thingie, and as a guy in the party scenes. Often here was overlap (you'd do a couple positions in one show, before graduating to the next set of positions).

OMG SILVER ONE OF MY FRIENDS MENTIONED THE NEW PJ SHOW- They were so excited that I took a look at it, and it seems more inclusive and natural, so I'm pensively optimistic??? (Also is it just me or is Grover like really pretty???)

submitted by Jaybells, Lost, somewhere
(December 25, 2023 - 9:38 pm)

Yeah, the show is really good! Rick Riordan who wrote the books was heavily involved in every stage of production, so he's staying pretty true to the books while also making some changes since the original was written so long ago. I wouldn't say the original books weren't 'inclusive', but the show certainly is more diverse. As Riordan kept publishing books he steadily added diversity in ways that felt very genuine (although sometimes he missed the mark a bit). The Magnus Chase books were the first time I (and probably a lot of other kids) learned about gender fluidity. As far as middle grade fantasy authors go, he's pretty great (unlike some other ones cough cough JK Rowling cough cough). But my god, the backlash against the show for casting Annabeth as black was literally insane. This poor 13 year old girl was getting bullied online from the start, and people were making social media accounts named "not my Annabeth" just to change fanart depicting Annabeth as black to make her white & blonde. It got so bad that Rick himself had to issue a statement calling out the racism and condeming a lot of the fans. And these same people complaining about her not being 'book accurate' didn't care about Percy and Grover not being how they were described in the book. Hmm I wonder why. Plus, it was open casting! What did they expect?? Ugh it just makes me soo frustrated. Anyway, yeah the show is pretty good! Grover is really pretty (so are most of the cast too I think), and overall I think the casting was pretty spot on. You should definitely give it a go :)

submitted by Silver Crystal, age Infinity, Milky Way
(December 27, 2023 - 3:18 pm)

Mn, I agree about the inclusivity/diversity point you make, Silver. I think it definitely improved with time, but I would probably also understand frustrations with how hetero-normative and white the original cast is implied to be. I remember being genuinely confused when I saw a comment here on the CB criticising lack of diversity in Riordan's at one point, lol, but looking back I can kind of see it. Also keeping an eye on the hypocrisy of casting.

Ah, and speaking of casting, I had a feeling the whole thing with Annabeth would happen, the moment I realised she was black in this version... (Admittedly, I was pleasantly surprised if not a little apprehensive). It immediately brought to mind the whole Little Mermaid debacle and similar controversy. It kinda annoys me, like I get not wanting your mental image being shattered by a movie, but if you really have a problem with it, you don't get the right to harass the actors, you just stop watching??? It's so gross how entitled people get. Like I tend to dislike having the idea of watching adaptations of/seeing "official art" of things I've read shoved down my throat for a similar reason, (I have an idea of what things should be like, and it bothers me a bit when movies/visuals "get it wrong") but I handle it like a civilized human, and just don't engage if I'm bothered, or deal with it like a rational person and move on. I wish literal adults could get the hang of that.

Kind of a sidenote, but when I was doing a bit of looking around to see if I should be interested in the show (before you mentioned it) I got a little uncomfortable seeing that the first two POC characters we see be the only half-animals (plus they slot a little too neatly into that "kindly black assist" role for comfort, yikes), and then Clarisse (the next POC introduced) is a bully... Like... the implication there was probably(?) not intentional, and it could be just me looking too hard into things, but idk, it just struck me not well. That kind of diminished when I saw Annabeth (a black girl with actual dark skin in a mainstream show?! wha???) but still idk I had my reservations. I think I even pointed that out to the friend who was hyping it up to me and they were just like whaddya expect? It was made by a white dude. Lol I kind of balk when that is the response.

Anyhow, I'll take your word for it, Silver. I'll check it out if I get a chance! :D 

submitted by Jaybells, Lost, somewhere
(December 28, 2023 - 12:56 am)

i know i have before but now i'm struggling to put my thoughts into words *sobs* so a few random thoughts on YA. I have a lot more to say about the divide and probably other things, though.

Please note that i haven’t read too much YA in a while, and I never got too much into it, so I know much more about MG. I’ll start with a bit about YA, since i have a lot more issues with it. i don’t think the books are inherently bad, but i really do not like the things they tend to focus on. It so often feels so pointlessly dark. And there’s almost always romance. And also, just being in the section can be unpleasant because so many of the covers are just unpleasant (could just be my library, idk. There are some really pretty covers too). And honestly? I think at this point people are writing YA more for adults. Both because of the subject matter and because of how pointlessly dark they are sometimes. Like, there’s definitely a point to dark books, but does everything have to be like that? Also, while it’s great that there are so many books about harder things, there aren’t as many books about like… the way things should be, or happier things. I think there should at least be a balance, instead of all of them being hard. 

Also, i feel like MG has been getting darker too… maybe it’s just that there are more darker books, which is usually a good thing, but I’m scared that because YA has gotten so dark MG is going to have to be like “well we’ll start being pointlessly dark too”. (also MG mental health is like the opposite of YA, where it’s never that bad or stuff, though still sometimes pointlessly/wrongly dramatized. Like, i can’t mention something a book was kind of dramatizing (and also just had a false idea of how it worked) but man that ruined me for a bit) 

I know i’m focusing mostly on darkness here but… to be honest i don’t have the mental health to read books about mental health. It doesn’t help. Even if they were going through the exact same thing I was, it would just make me judge myself and hate myself and all that. And writing also lends itself to choosing something that’s really bad, and focusing on all the worst parts instead of the kind-of-worse parts that sometimes hurt as much or worse. (and like you can actually feel those so it’s extra bad ig XD)  not to mention that whenever it’s something less bad, it ends up resolving easily with a nice bow and suddenly everything’s fine.

and to be completely honest, sometimes the focus on dark, twisted, mental health-focused books feels more intended for readers who aren’t mentally ill. People will talk about how sad all this is, how it’s horrible people have to go through this, and fail to do anything. People will talk about how this book made them cry like that’s inherently a good thing. It’s not inherently bad, but especially when a lot of the writers are clear that they haven’t gone through that (I don’t think people should be forced to say (or be outed but separate rant) but still), it’s pretty annoying. And the writers who haven’t gone with it also tend to be more susceptible to focusing on the worst parts, and also not usually making their characters quite messed up enough for that XD (and/or messed up only in the right ways that people like) also this is separate but it seems like there’s always like “oh it used to be better and now it’s worse and i miss the old days” which is just annoying. 

and really, there's always this assumption that people who are going through those things want to read about that (constantly). books about those things should exist, but honestly? sometimes you just want an escape. sometimes you don't want to think about that. sometimes you don't want to read books that are deeply triggering when you already are barely holding on, if you even are at all. that's all i'm saying. 

I also don’t think there’s usually enough there for me to want to push through that. But also the writing kind of gets more complex and everything gets more complex and it’s just harder sometimes. Other times it’s just MG but grimdark. (side note, MG just tends to focus more on the adventure and the interesting parts and frankly I relate to the characters way more and it’s just overall a nicer experience. Not to mention that the cover art tends to be so colorful and beautiful, I love cover art so much)

Anyway, about the divide: first off, it’s far too big. There’s MG, and then there’s like… lowkey adult books. There’s just no in between. Also, YA tends to be a lot less hopeful than MG. (Which is another issue with the mental health books; sometimes there’s just no hope, nothing to take away from it. It’s partially good because it’s realistic, but not really helpful). Also, why are there literally no 15 year olds ever? Like, sometimes you get a 14-year old in high MG; 16-year olds I think are decently common in YA but honestly i see more 17-19 year olds? But even then, they’re always so mature it just hurts to read. Like in MG that’s a established thing to suspend disbelief with most of the time, especially in fantasy. But like… maybe this is just that i’m really really not mature, but if I was to write a character that’s actually like me at my age (which I’m kind of scared to say just because it’s too high and i hate it so much) people would tear into that. and that part matters more to me than it does to anyone else i'm sure but it just really hurts.

I also think the amount people care about ages is too much. Not every MG character has to be 12. There are so many opportunities you could get from having a younger or older character - especially in fantasy or sci fi, where school isn’t inherently the same. 

Also, side rant but why is there so little MG sci fi *sobs* and why is so much of what is there just not good?

also i totally see what you're saying, Silver. although aesthetics/the world is usually a large part of what i like about books XD and i'm not sure cool worlds what you're talking about because that's usually a good thing? idk. 

submitted by Blackfooted Bobcat
(December 28, 2023 - 6:29 pm)

Yeah I totally see what you're saying BB! As for the aesthetics thing, I was talking more about how bored I get with wanting to see actual analyses and discussions about books and stuff but end up just seeing a bunch of fifteen second videos like 'omg the aesthetic of [insert fantasy world here]' followed by a bunch of pictures ripped from pintrest in quick succession. Idk nothing really wrong with that but like... where's the substance booktok??

You're soo right, why are YA books so dark?? I've been reading mostly adult fiction books nowadays and am suprised by how less violent and angsty than the YA that I'm used to. I mostly agree with what you're saying about mental health being written by authors who haven't necessarily gone through the things that they're writing, but I've also seen authors get critisized for not including enough mental health themes in their writing, espeically when the characters have gone through a fair amount of stress and trauma as they tend to do in YA books. I think the term 'mental health' encompasses such a vast range of experiences that it's impossible to write a portrayal that everyone will relate to/agree with. It's tricky for sure. But I definitely agree that many teenagers in YA are being written with mental health themes that seem very disengenious.

Also yeah, I've noticed that the age for YA protagonists has gone up to 18. Almost every recent YA book I've read has the protagonist be at least 18. Bc let's be honest, the vast amount of YA protags (I'm thinking mainly fantasy rn) are older teenage girls who end up with guys who range from a year or two older than them to thousands of years older than them which is somehow okay (coughcough shadow and bone coughcough), so them being 'technically legal' is preferred even if the books take place in an alternate world. Which is... a little strange. 

Once I figured out that I could just choose to not read YA I felt strangely liberated- like I'll always have those YA books that I really like and I'll probably end up reading a YA book every now and then but it's actually soo fun reading regular fiction that doesn't feel like it needs to fit within a certain YA box and follow its rules, you know? Anyway I don't really know if any of that made any sense it's pretty late :P Have a good day (night?) guys!!

submitted by Silver Crystal, age Infinity, Milky Way
(December 28, 2023 - 11:04 pm)

I concur with you on that; mental health exploitation media seems to be pretty prevalent. I think it's always been that way to a certain extent, but is now becoming popular in a weird pop-cultural way. 

Again, I kind of have mixed feelings about the heavy focus darker subjects as a whole, though, lol. On one hand, I think it's vital for people to be able to address and experience darkness, even if only through stories. It helps people learn how to process difficult emotions and situations. Not everyone has these struggles, and it can make people who do suffer feel seen/heard, as well as illuminate their stories to a largely apathetic world. Personally, I can relate to reading painful stories similar to my own (or even just similar in spirit, not content) that help me heal and feel empowered. At the same time, it's definitely kinda gross how... fetishised? a lot of mental health issues can be portrayed. It's also tough when the portrayal is warped, if not flat-out inaccurate. Especially for people who don't have mental health "issues" to the degree of others, it can feel very bad-faith, as if putting on a 'freak-show' for those "unafflicted" with mental illness/the like. Like, yes, it brings attention to the subject, but is it the kind of attention we want? I also get just being unable to consume content that contains certain dark aspects in a productive manner. I can't really go into detail on the chatterbox, but certain experiences just don't need to be reexperienced over and over again by some people. However, I think that's kind of where we, as readers/consumers hold the reigns. If it's too much, we can put the book down or press pause; it's our choice, in the end. That's the beauty of media, unlike real life, if it isn't sitting well with us, we can just not partake in it anymore. We can choose to do something else with our time. It won't solve the 'issue,' but I believe that most things do hold value to someone, and even if it is only for that one person in the world, that is enough of a reason for that object to exist. You certainly don't have to read books that you find triggering. It is a shame that you feel like to avoid certain genres because of their content, but that doesn't mean that kind of story doesn't mean a lot to someone else, so it's not like it shouldn't exist. Of course, I'm not suggesting that you were saying something like "all books with dark content should be burned" or something like that, but I'd like to invite you to keep an open mind to things that we may not love, too. Admittedly, I don't really enjoy grimdark either though, it's just not for me.

I get the age thing, too. I relate to feeling too old to be so lacking maturity in far too many ways. I think the whole idea of "act your age" is a little messed up, especially for neurodivergent and developmentally stunted individuals, but really applying to everybody. Like, I understand wanting a middle-aged adult to be mature, but when it comes down to specific years, humans weren't 'programmed' with a calendar in mind; individuals develop at different rates, and that's ok. It's natural. It's absurd to expect uniformity in such a variable. 

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and opinions! They are fascinating to read. :) 

submitted by Jaybells, Lost, somewhere
(December 29, 2023 - 2:43 am)

okay so to be clear i was actively trying not to say, like, dark books should be burned.  and also you're right about how the consumers have the choice there but when every book is about that sort of thing (which isn't exactly true but there's a lot of books like that) it's like... where do people get ideas of how things should be? That's equally important. then there's also the fact that people (like me) read that sort of thing because they know it's bad for them, which i know doesn't really change anything but still a thing to note. and also the culture around it is just... often not great, and seems to glorify suffering a lot of the time. i was trying to make it clear that these stories are important to a lot of people, to be clear, which is why i was hopefully clear that they're still important?

and there's a whole range of experiences that people just don't cover as well - whether it's certain disorders like schizoprenia or stuff that has a lot of stigma, or experiences that aren't conductive to as much shock value, like less obvious emotional abuse. and honestly i think that's most of the issue and what i was trying to put into words. i'm not trying to say that the more "noticeable" things aren't important, or are even covered well half of the time, because that's not true; when a book about major physical abuse is all about any physical scars with minimal mention of feeling unsafe constantly or being terrified of touch or just being desensitized to it and barely caring and almost seeking it out because you're bored or a lot of "milder" symptoms, that's another thing that's kind of off a lot of the time (and there's a LOT of ways that can present, to be clear). *realizes the main issue* and i don't know if any of this makes sense, but this is more what i was trying to get at. When people can only care about the things with major shock value, things they would dismiss as being made up in real life. When those things with slightly more shock value (things that most people are like "i can't even imagine that!") onl focus on the parts that are very engaging, and usually make characters more likeable rather than less.

And honestly, i would like reading these books 10 times better if they accounted for anything but that. 

and i'm not saying we should get rid of all of those books that don't, it's just trends i've noticed that i hate. and no matter how much those books mean to some people, surely we could also have books that talk about other parts???? i'm not taking the value away from those books. maybe i'm wrong. idk. but i just don't see that sort of stuff as often.

submitted by Blackfooted Bobcat
(December 29, 2023 - 2:29 pm)

No you're totally right! There are tons of bad takes about mental health esp in YA books, but all around. God I hate hate hate the 'tiktokification' of mental illness. Like how the whole internet decided that depression was a 'normal' mental illness and how anxiety is the 'easy' mental illness. Those tiktoks that are like 'if you've ever felt any of these symptoms then you have anxiety!' followed by a list of normal reactions to getting worried or nervous. Making some mental illnesses (ex schizophrenia) seem more stygmatized while trivializing other ones, like anxiety and depression, which are very serious and can make living a regular life incredibly difficult. The term 'delulu' becoming soo common in social media and regular slang which I hate because no you're not having delusions you're just having human thoughts. I saw a post once where someone who had actual delusions related to mental illness tried to tell a friend of theirs about a delusion they had once had to which the friend responded: 'honey you're not delulu that's just straight up crazy'. By circulating a term related to mental illness around social media and the internet it eventually dilutes it and makes it not about that anymore, while also trivializing it. Same with people on tiktok talking about their 'intrusive thoughts' which are regular impulsive thoughts, or their 'OCD' which is just them liking to be organized. Once a term is used so much outside of its original meaning it starts to mean something else, you know? Anyway sorry for the rant :/

You're soo correct, I agree with pretty much everything that you said. I hope I wasn't sounding before like I wanted to burn all dark books or something, that's not what I meant at all. I especially related to what you said about media glorifying suffering and mental illness and I'd take it a step further and say that lots of parts of society seem to do that as well. Namely the queer community tends to glorify mental illness to a point that becomes unhealthy, or at least that's what I've noticed at my school, which is around one-third to half queer. It actually concerns me a lot, because the line between 'lots of queer kids have struggles with mental health and it's good and healthy to destygmatize it and talk to other queer kids with similar experiences' and 'queer culture is mental illness culture and it's now Cool to have depression and if you don't have at least one mental illness are you really queer?' (which I've actually heard people say at my school before) is thin and blurred a lot. Noticeably, the 'cool' groups of queer kids are the people that I see this happening the most to. 

Anwayy those are my (jumbled) thoughts, hope you guys are having a great day!! <33 

submitted by Silver Crystal, age Infinity, Milky Way
(December 29, 2023 - 10:38 pm)

Yes! I completely get where both of you are coming from! Especially the whole 'dilution'/trivialisation and simultaneous further stigmatisation of mental health struggles, as Silver put it. Very well explained. 

Like, I have diagnosed ADHD, generalised anxiety and major depressive disorder amongst others, but the amount of times I've gotten a "suck it up, lots of people have those issues" or the like is so frustrating because all of those are relatively common and trivialised. I absolutely detest when phrases are used like "I'm so OCD" when you strive for organisation/perfection, because in reality, you probably have no idea what it's like. Do you have overwhelming intrusive thoughts, to the point it's basically impossible for you function? Do you get stuck in a loop of worrying and nothing else for literal hours, making you near-completely unproductive? Do get yelled at for asking stupid questions and double-checking mundane things over and over and over again because you feel like you have to, or something terrible will happen? Do you get made fun of and scolded constantly for getting really upset when things are made out of order, or when you feel the need to resolve the untidyness/dis-order no matter what? Do you have to deal with the medical issues and pain (physical, emotional and social) associated with scrubbing your skin raw, or shaving literally all the hair from your body, or having your fingers bleed and crack from how often you feel do have to wash them and having little/no nails, day after day after day because you can't stand the thought/feeling of being dirty/unkempt? Or how about agonising over why you keep doing these things despite knowing it's not normal or 'good for you' and having people constantly tell you to stop, but literally being unable not to be this way. As someone who has experienced all of those things, if feels so incredibly demeaning to say that just because you like tidiness or whatever you're "so OCD, bro." 

I also hate how ingrained the trivialization of psych-related terms has become. Things like saying someone's "delulu" (as Silver said) or that something/someone is "crazy" or "stupid" or calling someone the r-slur or "dumb" or even "lame" or the like (seriously, tell me you're abileist without saying it ouright...). It's so gross that this has become so normal.

You also have that constant vilification of more intense forms of mental differences, like having psychotic symptoms, or being austistic/noticeably neurodivergent, or displaying  narsicistic or antisocial behaviour (although I kind of understand the last one, to be honest). I just think it makes things so much worse for everyone, especially those who struggle most.

I can see how queerness and mental illness are intrinsically linked for historical reasons, like, usually being super repressed and literally criminalised for most of documented history isn't super good for one's mental health; it's stressful... Even now, it can be quite dangerous to be queer/outed, or even suspected of being queer, and both are considered sonewhat 'unacceptable' traditionally, so it's no surprise that they are pretty closely expressed sometimes. People who are willing to push boundaries with one of them are more likely to have experiences they will loudly talk about the other as well. However, there's a difference between being open and honest about mental health, and glorifying mental illness (and thus invalidating others' experiences) though, as you pointed about.

submitted by Jaybells, Lost, somewhere
(January 2, 2024 - 12:35 am)

As for nounself pronouns, they’re basically just used like other pronouns. So if he/him is he/his/him/his/himself and you would say “he brought his soccer ball, and he muttered to himself” then kit/kits/kit/kits/kitself would be used like “kit brought kits soccer ball, and kit muttered to kitself”. Or cloud/clouds/cloud/clouds/cloudself would be “cloud brought clouds soccer ball, and cloud muttered to cloudself”. For one that’s a bit harder, like mel/caes/caramel/caes/caramelself, it would be “mel brought caes soccer ball, and mel muttered to caramelself.” sometimes people format them differently though. don’t worry too much about mistakes :P 

There are a lot of reasons people would use them, and really it’s largely the same as any other pronoun: because it feels like that person. Furries could use them, but it’s more related to gender than hobbies in general. (also i know, furries are so cool and it makes no sense people hate them so much) I also think that oftentimes people who use nounself pronouns have “looser” ideas about gender, so maybe they’ll choose a bunch just because they make that person happy. or maybe the pronouns relate to a xenogender (if you’re stargender, star/stars would be an obvious example). When i’m choosing them for a character, I kind of just go off of aesthetics and theming (or special interests if they’re autistic, so most of the time XD). it’s also important to realize that most people who use nounself pronouns are never going to hear them used in real life because the world is just too hostile to them. Like, i’m trying to figure out what pronouns I’d go with if i did come out, because the least weird ones are like… co/cos and ve/vis *sobs* (co/cos/co/cos/coself and ve/vis/vim/vis/vimself) though those are fine to use for me :) (and thank you btw) in addition, some people legitimately can’t use neopronouns because of a language disability or such, in which case you’ll give them an auxiliary (he, she, they, or it usually). '

let me know if you have more questions! You didn’t say anything wrong, don’t worry :P and even if you were to, since you’re coming from a place of trying to understand, it’d be fine.

As for your friend, try not to feel bad for not feeling “enough”. There’s nothing wrong with that. There’s nothing wrong with feeling a lot, either - even if it means you can’t do much for a while. Feelings can be unhelpful, or hard to deal with; but it’s not wrong to have them. Feelings by themselves kind of mean nothing, in my opinion. Like, you can hate someone and not hurt them; you can hurt someone while meaning only good things. Maybe it matters somehow, but i don’t see how it does? Idk, just try not to beat yourself up. 

Also, if you need help, please please please don’t worry about being a burden. I hope your friends are the kind you could talk to, if you needed to. And like, probably not choose one hardest effected, but it’s not particularly healthy to bottle things up. You can always rant here. And for anything you don’t want to say, or that isn’t CB friendly, you can always journal. You might be able to find stuff online for how to journal to deal with grief. If words are hard, you can do art, or cut out pictures that represent how you feel, or anything that helps. My only suggestion is not to use it to spiral, if that makes sense; like if writing is making you feel worse and you’re starting to put weight behind things that aren’t true (like, “i’m a bad person for not feeling enough” or “it should have been me”) you should probably either stop or, if you can, try to challenge them. (Like, “there’s no quota for how much you should feel. And besides, you can’t control that, so how could that make you a bad person? And besides, there are so many good things you have done, like how many people on the CB you’ve encouraged and how much you’ve added to the CB in general (CB examples bc i don’t know you anywhere else ToT)” or “it shouldn’t have been anybody.”)

I actually love the way boba tastes XD i like chewy things. Plus the first time i had it was in a mall in Hawai’i (and also it’s an amazing mall that’s kind of outside and there are birds everywhere) so it was guaranteed to be really good. The actual boba was top notch. Better than mine XD

With boba, there’s kind of another layer with it because it’s Asian. So there’s not only a connection with anime people (who are probably sometimes okay but when they are not okay they are not okay), but also like… i feel like i’m “spreading a stereotype” and… frankly whenever i’m near anyone who isn’t east/southeast asian who’s talking about anime i kind of panic. And i hate that Japanese stuff is popular these days but nobody cares about actual Japanese people. People will, like, talk about how onigiri (rice balls) are so kawaii and cool (they’re literally just a food, albeit a quite tasty one) and then be like “ewwww that’s disgusting why are you eating that?” to natto (fermented soybeans. To be fair they look disgusting but they’re quite tasty in my opinion (unless you don’t eat them with rice XD)). or they’ll ask all about your eggs and rice (like friend. It’s just eggs. And rice. And maybe furikake) or something like that and act offended when you get annoyed. Or go on about anime and Japanese technology and then like… make weird jokes about Japan or something when there’s anything that involves it in school? (i honestly don’t completely remember what happened, i just remember dreading going into class bc of that) and racism? *gasp* noooooooo. And i’m pretty sure all of this has happened (i have no memory though and sometimes make stuff up so idk for certain, and like i can get to the point where i legitimately believe there’s a shadow monster following me and staying right out of my line of sight or that we’re about to drive off of the face of the earth relatively quickly so XD i have too much imagination i guess). also being mixed with white makes it feel like it matters less :\

The PJO show sounds cool. i haven’t even finished HOO though… i know it’s pathetic, but I still haven’t read the last book despite having meant to for like years *sobs* and I need to reread PJO too. *sighs* who’s your favorite character in PJO and HOO? (chanting: LEO LEO LEO LEO LEO LEO - what do you mean I see large parts of myself in him?!) i kind of wish Jason was more interesting though. But seriously, Leo is the best. Leo reigns supreme. Leo and Festus deserve the world. Seriously, Leo must have fixed Festus up again, because he’s about to ride off to take it all over on Happy the Dragon *shrugs* (i think there’s a line like “So we’re about to ride off to save the world on Happy the Dragon?” in the first book i think don’t hurt me if i’m wrong) while i would have appreciated a bit more about his ADHD to be honest, at the same time it seems like most books with ADHD characters are more into the inattentive side and people see hyperactivity as just a stereotype *shrugs* (i haven’t read too many though, this might be more from online) 

I actually saw a bit about the whole backlash about casting Annabeth as Black and like… why??? That’s a good thing! Also yeah, Rick Riordan seems like a pretty cool guy. Is he perfect? Absolutely not, but he’s just… he seems like a really good person. When he does something wrong, he apologizes, and changes it if he can. And that’s a major part of it. 

i have more stuff to say about the YA/mental health discussion but this works for now 

submitted by Blackfooted Bobcat
(December 30, 2023 - 8:54 pm)

No rush to respond BB, take your time! As for my favorite PJO/HOO characters I've always been a Piper girlie for some reason. I also loveee Annabeth and Percy both as a couple and as seperate characters. They're probably the two best written and developed chracters in all of his books. Big Thalia and Reyna fan as well. Jason is sooo frustrating bc he had the potential to have the most interesting backstory and personality and such but it feels like he was underutilized?? Plus things that happen in later books with him that make me very upset...

submitted by Silver Crystal, age Infinity, Milky Way
(December 30, 2023 - 10:34 pm)

Right???

submitted by Jaybells, Lost, somehow
(January 1, 2024 - 11:48 pm)

Thanks for sharing about all this, too! Lol as someone raised very conservatively, having to rise out of that on my own, without guidance, I worry a lot about offending people who I like and associate with. Especially when I see/experience how easy it is to hurt people unintentionally. (For example, I've had little kids come up to me in religious settings and ask me "are you a boy or a girl?" likely brought up from my fairly androgynous gender-expression. Despite knowing they're just young and simply don't know because of their upbringing, it still hurt a lot and made me incredibly uncomfortable. I literally got sick and threw up the first time that happened.) I really don't want to put anyone in that situation, especially when they're just trying to figure themselves out.

Ooh, mostly unrelated, but I was going through security the other day (without a hat on? especially in the winter??? I know, how very uncharacteristic of me! it's relevant because I have very short hair, 'specially for a femme) and one of the security guys said something like "have a nice day, sir" when they finished checking me and at first I was confused, like, who? me??? but then I literally got so excited. It just makes me so happy to be misgendered in a masc-favourable way sometimes. Not that I do see myself as a dude, it's just sometimes vindicating when I'm often assumed to be female (my assigned gender) instead, having short hair and generally putting effort into coming across as more gender-neutral (and thus usually making myself appear more masc by default). 

Also, thank you for your advice BB. It's truly helpful and I appreciate it a lot. I don't have much to say, except to thank you, but it really does mean a lot to me. <3<3<3 

submitted by Jaybells, Lost, somewhere
(January 2, 2024 - 12:54 am)

Hi everyone!

It is my first time writing in here and I am really excited! I love all the stories in this magazines and I can't seem to get enough. Maybe it has to do with my reading . I love books so much that I am running out of room on the bookshelves , and we just got more! I have so many books that my friends and family call it the library and I am head librarian. My younger sister and I always play library, but we make a mess . Do you guys have a sibling , and if so are they older or younger ?

P. S. Dear Ladybug , if you don't mind , can you tell us how many spots you have ? I was wondering after I saw ladybugs and counted all their spots . Thank you! 

Ariana (Ari)  M. , age 10½

Long Beach , California 

Dear Ariana,

Welcome to Chatterbox. We're pleased to have you join us. I have six spots!

Love,

Ladybug

submitted by Ariana M., age Age 10½, Long Beach, California
(January 3, 2024 - 9:31 pm)